Help identifying location

[simonh]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STEAM-RAILWAY ... 2ec953b036

Just saw this photo on ebay. It says it is Welwyn Garden City but I can't work out where it could be. I wondered if anyone recognised the location.

Thanks

Simon.

[Mickey]

STEAM-RAILWAY-PHOTO-CL-A1-N0-60-113-PASSING-AN-OVERTURNED-PACIFIC-AT-WELWYN-GDN-

Just saw this photo on ebay. It says it is Welwyn Garden City but I can't work out where it could be. I wondered if anyone recognised the location.

The location is north of New Southgate station in north London between New Southgate station and Cemetery s/box. There's a thread on this accident on the L.N.E.R. Discussion topic page (currently on page 6 on this forum) entitled CRASH AT NEW SOUTHGATE-1948.

[StevieG]

I agree Micky.

Simonh, if of any help, the camera is pointing roughly south, so the passing train is heading 'north' and the unfortunate loco is lying on the Up side lines.

[simonh]

Thanks Micky and Steve

I found the earlier discussion from last December, at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2443&p=78197. USing the Wikipedia photo you can get the precise location - the house with the "Woodbines" advertising is still there today, I found it in Google Maps streetview at corner of Oakleigh Road North and Brunswick Avenue. I hope this will work

https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Oaklei ... 79,,0,17.6

Thanks again, I will take a closer look next time I pass in the train.

Simon.

[StevieG]

Well that google streetview link works OK for me Simonh.
You may see from Streetview and Google maps that the bridge crosses the line at quite a skew angle : Has done for some time (20? years) : It is a wide single-span, apparently concrete-beamed structure, very different from the bridge of the early 1970s.

That was a multi-arched brick structure, and crossed virtually at right-angles to the railway in connecting the Oakleigh Roads North and South, lining up as almost in a straight line with Brunswick Avenue.
In fact I think I remember that the roads' labelling just here in at least one of the AZ/A-Z (and remember the "A1"?) street atlases was such that the bridge appeared to be part of Brunswick Avenue : I've no idea of which road the bridge was officially a part, though.

[simonh]

The 1990 A-Z shows the bridge as you describe it, clearly marked as Brunswick Avenue.

[Mickey]

The confusion with the location maybe because of another accident that happened south of Welwyn Garden City station on the Up fast line in January 1957 which involved a class A2/3 no.60520 'Owen Tudor' hauling an Up over night scotch express from Aberdeen to Kings Cross over running signals at danger at Welwyn Garden City and running into the rear of a Up local passenger train from Baldock to Kings Cross around 6:am on a foggy morning.

There are a number of photographs of this accident involving no.60520 laying nearly on it's left-hand side on the 6 track section of the main line south of Welwyn Garden City station between the 20th Mile bridge and the Sand hole bridge.