Down "Elizabethan" through Stevenage

[giner]

60022 thunders through Stevenage on the down Elizabthan (I think - the headboard's not too clear in this photo). No date for the photo either, I'm afraid.

[StevieG]

Like this one a lot, giner. Thanks v.m.
Even apart from loco and trains, quite a bit of railway miscellanea on show.
And I never knew that that Up Slow signal stood amongst the yard roads; rather like the US and US-UF bracket signal at 'Southgate' station stood outside the Goods road, and the actual UG exit signal to the US stood at the end of the loading dock there.

[JASd17]

A three line headboard, not The Elizabethan, I suggest.

With AWS fitted, so late 1950s to the end of A4s on the ECML top jobs.

John

[giner]

You're welcome, Stevie. I've got another photo of an A2 on an up fast freight -see below. Another fuzzy one, I'm afraid.

John, your eyes are obviously better than mine, but I was trying to think what three-liner headboard it might be - outside of pullmans, which this doesn't appear to be.

[giner]

Here's the pub sign of The Mallard pub that was in Julians Road across from the entrance to the up goods yard. A bit of 'artistic licence' being displayed, too.

[StevieG]

A three line headboard, not The Elizabethan, I suggest.

With AWS fitted, so late 1950s to the end of A4s on the ECML top jobs.

John

Could the first word be "YORK"? - So might it be a special?

[jwealleans]

Can you see lettering on that? My thought when I zoomed it in is that it's reversed.

[JASd17]

I did wonder whether it was reversed too, but I think I can just see the outline of lettering.

John

[StevieG]

Can you see lettering on that? My thought when I zoomed it in is that it's reversed.

I did wonder whether it was reversed too, but I think I can just see the outline of lettering.

John

Ah, a reversed headboard! - I hadn't thought of that possibility, and it could explain why what appears to be lettering ( would the impressions of the lettering on a headboard be evident on its rear in some way ? )

Were A4 headboards mounted on the lower central lamp iron? - If so, even in this pic, mightn't the headboard's mounting bracket be clearer ?

[giner]

I'd have thought that headboards would have been machined flat on the back. Weren't the letters cast on the front, as on loco nameplates? If they'd been pressed through from the back then, yes, a reverse image would have been visible. A better quality photo would've been helpful.

About the A2, 60508 perhaps?

BTW, these photos came a website group, Old Memories of Stevenage. Once in a blue moon, a railway photo surfaces.

[61962]

My thought is the headboard has been covered up. It looks like its wrapped in cloth and the raised lettering is showing an impression through the cloth. The engine is well cleaned and the number plate and shed plate look to be recently repainted. Maybe the loco's return working is a special and the headboard is being protected so it is kept pristine for the special working.

Eddie

[JASd17]

I'd have thought that headboards would have been machined flat on the back. Weren't the letters cast on the front, as on loco nameplates? If they'd been pressed through from the back then, yes, a reverse image would have been visible. A better quality photo would've been helpful.

The headboards were flat on the back, it looks to have a raised edge on this image of 60022. There is surely no chance that a reversed image is visible.

Agreed a better quality image would help, but I maintain it is a larger headboard, which ever way round.

John

[65447]

It's a very wide but not as deep as some headboard with top corner cut-outs, so possibilities include 'The Elizabethan', 'The Northumbrian' and 'The Tees-Thames'. A high resolution image of the headboard area (to help determine proportions) would be of considerable use.

[harvester]

If the headboard was "reversed" on the picture would we not be able to see the lamp bracket fixings ?

[madgewildfire60135]

A 35mm transparency from my collection of A4 No 60009 with a reversed headboard. The date is 2nd September 1961 and the A4 is working the Saturday equivalent of the weekday 'Elizabethan' . No 9 would have worked the non-stop to Edinburgh on the Friday and returned to London the following day. The train was not named on Saturdays hence the reversed headboard on the bottom bracket. We see the A4 working through Peterborough North with a blast on the chime whistle.Cheers Simon