2002EarlMarischal wrote:I have just "Google Imaged" the "Camp Coffee Sign" because I recollected it being a much redder colour than appears in the signs on the Herring Gull photo.
But that would indicate to me that the colour you're describing is lighter than that you remember - if that's the case, are we saying the blue should be darker and the red lighter? Can film really work that way, making one colour darker and one lighter in the same photograph and negative?
I think that the colour of that image has distorted over time. If the red is wrong then so to probably is the blue. I am sure there are those better qualified to comment on this.
They probably are both wrong: but if you're saying the red should be lighter…?
It just doesn't follow to me that the blue in that photograph can be so wildly out so as to portray a shade of blue so much lighter than that on the Hornby model. We're talking about a dark blue and a light blue here, two extremes of that colour spectrum. Can the photograph really be so wildly inaccurate? Particularly if everything around the locomotive seems so naturally coloured.
The problem with the model shown to compare with the pre-war colour photo of Herring Gull is that usual difficulty I have found in mixing blue - when you try and lighten it adding white it becomes too much of a pastel shade. The only success I have had in mixing blue is to combine several shades of blue until I get the right mix.
2002EarlMarischal wrote:I have just "Google Imaged" the "Camp Coffee Sign" because I recollected it being a much redder colour than appears in the signs on the Herring Gull photo.
But that would indicate to me that the colour you're describing is lighter than that you remember - if that's the case, are we saying the blue should be darker and the red lighter? Can film really work that way, making one colour darker and one lighter in the same photograph and negative?
I think that the colour of that image has distorted over time. If the red is wrong then so to probably is the blue. I am sure there are those better qualified to comment on this.
They probably are both wrong: but if you're saying the red should be lighter…?
It just doesn't follow to me that the blue in that photograph can be so wildly out so as to portray a shade of blue so much lighter than that on the Hornby model. We're talking about a dark blue and a light blue here, two extremes of that colour spectrum. Can the photograph really be so wildly inaccurate? Particularly if everything around the locomotive seems so naturally coloured.
To me the Herring Gull photo shows signs which are a "browny red" whereas the Camp Coffee sign is a bright "reddy red". I think I'm trying to say that the hue is wrong. Sorry about the poor descriptive terms! It is as though the colours are "washed out" or that there is more green in the balance.
When I have tinkered with Windows Picture Manager or similar and adjusted the colour balance, I have noticed how you can take the life out of a photo. Some of my old colour slides lurking in the loft show the same deterioration with age.
Specifically, I believe that the blue would have been deeper with less of a green tinge.
Saint Johnstoun wrote:The problem with the model shown to compare with the pre-war colour photo of Herring Gull is that usual difficulty I have found in mixing blue - when you try and lighten it adding white it becomes too much of a pastel shade. The only success I have had in mixing blue is to combine several shades of blue until I get the right mix.
I agree, it is too pastel at present but it's not had any Johnson's Klear or weathering applied. I tend to show my modelling at all stages, warts and all, because it tells the full story. However the point I am making is that the Hornby model is far too dark, even if you were to darken the blue in the contemporary photographs shown it would not match even slightly.
Hi, I now own Cyril Perrier's collection of his Father's rail Dufaycolor slides and have been collecting early colour images for about twenty years. Dufaycolor does show a tendency to colour shift towards brown/red although after nearly eighty years this is as good a reproduction of LNER Garter Blue as you are likely to get. I have another Dufaycolor of an A4 in Garter Blue coming through the London Suburbs (I am at work now so can't remember the exact details). The shot of Herring Gull has not faded badly at all. Had it been on Kodachrome it would have been even better as I have lots of early Kodachrome that has not faded visibly and looks as if it was taken yesterday.
This Dufaycolor is from my collection so I would be grateful if you would credit it "The late S Perrier / vintage-images.co.uk". I realise that you lifted it from the Flickr page that Cyrils cousin put on line but a credit would be nice.
I am using this, along with over 120 largely unpublished original colour transparencies in my next book "Vintage London, the Capital in Colour 1910-1960" which should be out in July. More details are on my website http://www.vintage-images.co.uk
I have added that attribution - my apologies for not doing do originally. I am normally good at accrediting the original source material but in my defense I posted the comparative image late last night. I will remove that image too with my sincere apologies.
Thank you for coming on here and writing to us about the beautiful image of herring gull. I am very interested in buying your book and will do so at the earliest available opportunity.
In your view, given you would say this is the best reproduction of garter blue we are likely to get, do you feel the image very accurately captures the shade and tone of the blue and the locomotives surroundings?
Is anyone else feeling more hopeful about future LNER models in this series? After the shoddy 28XX, I think the Schools is quite reasonable...but then I know nothing about SR locos!
It is as though the colours are "washed out" or that there is more green in the balance.
