James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO
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Thanks! Certainly it has a pleasant appearance about it, far better than my first attempt was.
Meanwhile, work on the next pair of ex-GCR clerestories continues apace.
Starting with the basic Hornby bodies, the first step was to dismantle the carriages. There is a screw through the carriage which when removed loosens the roof, and it is then possible to gently prise it free from the body. You can then access the interior of the body and using pliers or tweezers gently squeeze the lugs holding the bogies in to release those. The buffers can be gently pulled loose just with the fngers- no need for tools on them! That just leaves the glazing. I tried to remove it in one piece for re-use when I rebuild the carriages, but unfortunately it proved to be too flimsy and secured too firmly, and it cracked and broke. No matter, I have some clear plastic sheet I can use for new glazing eventually.
Work can then commence on the conversion. Now on my last conversion I had to replace the beading and as it is my intention to run them as a rake obviously they all have to match. This means what I did on one carriage has to be done on all of them... the beading was removed by gently running over the carriage body with a stanley blade (the beading lifted like orange peel) and then smoothed down with a file and sandpaper.
On the roof I removed the ventilators along the top of the clerestory and the rainstrips on same. This just leaves the rainstrips running on either side of the roof.
Surprisingly I found that the pair of donor carriages were completely unweighted. This is a surprise because the last carriage I converted had a pair of substantial metal weights running the length of the carriage. So in both carriages I placed a pair of 5 gramme metal weights, one above each bogie.
So far work on both carriages had been of an identical nature, but now the two separated to follow different paths. The first carriage had its floor painted blue, and the internal walls painted teak. This will ultimately become the all-first. The second carriage had its floor painted red and the walls painted stone. This will ultimately become the all-third.
So here we see the work carried out inside the two carriages; floor painted, walls painted, weights added and compartment partitions (see below) fitted.
First phase of work carried out on the carriage exteriors. All beading removed and smoothed down ready for replacement.
When the carriages arrived there were bare shells. I like to fit interiors, even if they are fairly basic. The first phase of this is to fit compartment partitions. I used some 0.5mm plastic sheet and cut rough rectangles to measurements 29mm by 24mm. I then test-fitted them, filing down the corners as necessary to get them to fit down securely. You need to give them a slight curve to get them to slip easily through the tumblehome, however because the bottom of the partitions will be covered up by seats you can remove as much material as you please (within reason!) without affecting the eventual appearance.
I then started to replace the beading. I used evergreen strip of approx. 0.5mm by 1mm. Pieces have to be cut to lengths varying from 2mm to 185mm, and the best part of a pack of the stuff goes into a single carriage (out of 10 360mm lengths in the pack, 7.5 go into one carriage).
So this is the stage we've reached now- one carriage has all of its beading replaced whilst the other is waiting on more plastic strip. Whilst I'm waiting for that, I can work up the interiors of both carriages (adding the seats) and repaint the exterior of the all-third, and work some more on the two roofs.
Meanwhile, work on the next pair of ex-GCR clerestories continues apace.
Starting with the basic Hornby bodies, the first step was to dismantle the carriages. There is a screw through the carriage which when removed loosens the roof, and it is then possible to gently prise it free from the body. You can then access the interior of the body and using pliers or tweezers gently squeeze the lugs holding the bogies in to release those. The buffers can be gently pulled loose just with the fngers- no need for tools on them! That just leaves the glazing. I tried to remove it in one piece for re-use when I rebuild the carriages, but unfortunately it proved to be too flimsy and secured too firmly, and it cracked and broke. No matter, I have some clear plastic sheet I can use for new glazing eventually.
Work can then commence on the conversion. Now on my last conversion I had to replace the beading and as it is my intention to run them as a rake obviously they all have to match. This means what I did on one carriage has to be done on all of them... the beading was removed by gently running over the carriage body with a stanley blade (the beading lifted like orange peel) and then smoothed down with a file and sandpaper.
On the roof I removed the ventilators along the top of the clerestory and the rainstrips on same. This just leaves the rainstrips running on either side of the roof.
Surprisingly I found that the pair of donor carriages were completely unweighted. This is a surprise because the last carriage I converted had a pair of substantial metal weights running the length of the carriage. So in both carriages I placed a pair of 5 gramme metal weights, one above each bogie.
So far work on both carriages had been of an identical nature, but now the two separated to follow different paths. The first carriage had its floor painted blue, and the internal walls painted teak. This will ultimately become the all-first. The second carriage had its floor painted red and the walls painted stone. This will ultimately become the all-third.
So here we see the work carried out inside the two carriages; floor painted, walls painted, weights added and compartment partitions (see below) fitted.
First phase of work carried out on the carriage exteriors. All beading removed and smoothed down ready for replacement.
When the carriages arrived there were bare shells. I like to fit interiors, even if they are fairly basic. The first phase of this is to fit compartment partitions. I used some 0.5mm plastic sheet and cut rough rectangles to measurements 29mm by 24mm. I then test-fitted them, filing down the corners as necessary to get them to fit down securely. You need to give them a slight curve to get them to slip easily through the tumblehome, however because the bottom of the partitions will be covered up by seats you can remove as much material as you please (within reason!) without affecting the eventual appearance.
I then started to replace the beading. I used evergreen strip of approx. 0.5mm by 1mm. Pieces have to be cut to lengths varying from 2mm to 185mm, and the best part of a pack of the stuff goes into a single carriage (out of 10 360mm lengths in the pack, 7.5 go into one carriage).
So this is the stage we've reached now- one carriage has all of its beading replaced whilst the other is waiting on more plastic strip. Whilst I'm waiting for that, I can work up the interiors of both carriages (adding the seats) and repaint the exterior of the all-third, and work some more on the two roofs.
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Re: James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO
G'day all
Good work James.
SEFinecast do flush fit windows for clerestory coaches.
The last I bought were £2.15 and they're cheap on postage and the service is by return of post. They're tiresome to fit, but they make a hell of a difference to the look.
Keep it up
Earlswood nob
Good work James.
SEFinecast do flush fit windows for clerestory coaches.
The last I bought were £2.15 and they're cheap on postage and the service is by return of post. They're tiresome to fit, but they make a hell of a difference to the look.
Keep it up
Earlswood nob
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You have captured the look of the B5 extremely well there James. Your cutting and shutting I am full of admiration for. It's what I started out doing several years back, and yours are much better than my own first attempts. Well thought out and the result is excellent.
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I didn't know that! I shall look into them, thanks.earlswood nob wrote:G'day all
Good work James.
SEFinecast do flush fit windows for clerestory coaches.
The last I bought were £2.15 and they're cheap on postage and the service is by return of post. They're tiresome to fit, but they make a hell of a difference to the look.
Keep it up
Earlswood nob
Thank you!S.A.C. Martin wrote:You have captured the look of the B5 extremely well there James. Your cutting and shutting I am full of admiration for. It's what I started out doing several years back, and yours are much better than my own first attempts. Well thought out and the result is excellent.
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I'm now half-way to completing my planned rake of five clerestories. The lavatory composite was finished a few months ago, and the all-third finished this last week.
And the all-first now isn't too far behind...
A little more work on the interior and then I can start on the roof.
I've also made a couple of decisions about when it comes to the brake thirds. One of them I think I will keep in the Hornby 'as manufactured' configuration of a long(ish) guards compartment, side duckets and 5 third class compartments. However, the other I think will come in more some more drastic surgery and will in all likelihood emerge as a model of the brake third clerestory in Volume III of George Dow's 'Great Central', that is as a 4-compartment carriage with a pair of lavatories.
And the all-first now isn't too far behind...
A little more work on the interior and then I can start on the roof.
I've also made a couple of decisions about when it comes to the brake thirds. One of them I think I will keep in the Hornby 'as manufactured' configuration of a long(ish) guards compartment, side duckets and 5 third class compartments. However, the other I think will come in more some more drastic surgery and will in all likelihood emerge as a model of the brake third clerestory in Volume III of George Dow's 'Great Central', that is as a 4-compartment carriage with a pair of lavatories.
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I've had one of those lucky moments on ebay this evening.
I've picked up a whitemetal boiler for a Director, which is exactly what I need for my neverwazza Gorton mogul I mentioned back in November. Pairing it up with the frames and motion from a Mainline 43xx which I've had these last few months waiting to make a start upon and I'll be a goodly part of the way there.
Now I just need to find a Robinson tender for a decent price. Am I right in thinking Bachmann ask £30 or £40 for their O4/ D11/ J11 examples as spares?
I've picked up a whitemetal boiler for a Director, which is exactly what I need for my neverwazza Gorton mogul I mentioned back in November. Pairing it up with the frames and motion from a Mainline 43xx which I've had these last few months waiting to make a start upon and I'll be a goodly part of the way there.
Now I just need to find a Robinson tender for a decent price. Am I right in thinking Bachmann ask £30 or £40 for their O4/ D11/ J11 examples as spares?
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Evenin' all
Dave Alexander does white metal GCR tenders.
He doesn't have a website anymore, but I'm sure someone has his phone number.
Earlswood nob
Dave Alexander does white metal GCR tenders.
He doesn't have a website anymore, but I'm sure someone has his phone number.
Earlswood nob
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Dave Alexander! Thank you! I'd seen a website months ago selling whitemetal GCR tenders but by the time I'd got the spare cash to hand I couldn't find it again, and I've been racking my brains since trying to remember it. I think that was it. Pity the website has been shut down, I'll have a look and see if I can find an address or telephone number.
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http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/suppliers ... nderModels
Can you ask him when his website is coming back online please
Can you ask him when his website is coming back online please
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Thanks; I'll try contacting him this coming weekend (don't have much time for anything in the week, sadly- modelling or otherwise)...
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James, PM inbound, something that might be of interest
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I've written to Dave Alexander this morning asking after his GCR tenders and enquiring if he has a website anywhere. I shall keep the board posted as to his reply.
In other news, my neverwazza Gorton mogul has gained a boiler- from a whitemetal D11 kit. This is exactly what I need, the outline drawing of the mogul showing a Director's boiler on a 6-coupled chassis.
I've placed an order with Alan Gibson for some of his GCR boiler fittings, which means when my Bachmann J11 arrives I can put it back to mid-1920s condition. It also means I've no excuse now to start my conversion of a 2P to a D9. Except of course that the neverwazza is next on my list of projects, and the D9 follows that.
And my ex-GCR all first clerestory has reclaimed its roof, after I blocked in the clerestory lights and amended the ventilators.
In other news, my neverwazza Gorton mogul has gained a boiler- from a whitemetal D11 kit. This is exactly what I need, the outline drawing of the mogul showing a Director's boiler on a 6-coupled chassis.
I've placed an order with Alan Gibson for some of his GCR boiler fittings, which means when my Bachmann J11 arrives I can put it back to mid-1920s condition. It also means I've no excuse now to start my conversion of a 2P to a D9. Except of course that the neverwazza is next on my list of projects, and the D9 follows that.
And my ex-GCR all first clerestory has reclaimed its roof, after I blocked in the clerestory lights and amended the ventilators.
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Thanks to a bit of an ebay binge last night I now find myself the proud soon-to-be-owner of a 'Sam Fay', or B2, class loco. My plans for it are one of two things:
1) If the current finish is good it shall stay in GCR green as City of London.
2) If, on the other hand, it could benefit from some TLC, it shall go into LNER green as City of Lincoln.
Also bought last night was an N5....
1) If the current finish is good it shall stay in GCR green as City of London.
2) If, on the other hand, it could benefit from some TLC, it shall go into LNER green as City of Lincoln.
Also bought last night was an N5....
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I don't like throwing money at my hobbies. There, I said it. To my mind there is always more satisfaction in building something that looks good and doesn't cost too much than there is in going to a store and opening my wallet.
So, for once I've surprised myself and spent some 'proper' money on myself and bought a few little beauties from Ebay. None of them perfect (that is probably why I got them at such a bargain price), but they'll do me.
First up we have a GCR 9F (LNER N5) 0-6-2 in GCR black.
(Bleurgh. What is it with camera focus these days?) Not a bad little model, but the transfers let it down somewhat. Now you may be thinking 'James, you built an N5 a few years ago- why buy one?', but the thing is that whilst I was pleased with my hackbashed example when I built it, since then it has fallen down the ranks and now languishes somewhere on the 'really needs replacing' list- alongside the D6 that I was so proud of a few years ago.
Next up is a GCR 9K (LNER C13) 4-4-2 in BR black.
(That's better!) This was sold as being a scratchbuild effort (I wish my scratchbuilds were quite as good!) with a dodgy motor- it runs perfectly well backwards but not quite so well forwards. There are also one of two bits that look to be missing- eg the whistle. Now my plans with this one are to repaint it in LNER black and replace the motor and chassis. I'll be looking through my old Railway Modellers this afternoon for the Ian Beattie drawings of the C13 and C14, to compare the driving wheel sizes and spacings with the GWR 14xx, which strikes me as being perhaps the most likely candidate for a donor chassis.
And so on to...
... GCR Class 1 (LNER B2) "City of London". I've wanted a B2 for years and I'm really pleased I won this loco. My original aim was to repaint it into LNER livery as "City of Lincoln" but I think the GCR dark green and claret livery suits the loco much better than apple green. I'll be reading John Quick's GCR liveries book today to see if "City of Lincoln" ever saw GCR green or whether it remained in black through to LNER ownership. It does need a bit of attention both structurally and in terms of paint finish (there is, for instance, no attempt at cab lining on the model).
And finally, I've started work on my Gorton mogul neverwazza.
Quite a handsome looking machine in W A Tuplin's "Great Central Steam". The first step to take was to measure up the 43xx boiler against the D11 spare I bought a few weeks ago. There was about 7mm discrepancy- the D11 being too long- however re-reading the book it says that the boiler was merely based upon that fitted to the Director's, rather than being a proper Director boiler. I felt therefore that the easiest solution to the problem would be the most appropriate, and carefully cut away the rear 6mm of the ex-Director's firebox. Now the next step will be cut away the 43xx boiler and running plate between the cab and the bufferbeam.
So, for once I've surprised myself and spent some 'proper' money on myself and bought a few little beauties from Ebay. None of them perfect (that is probably why I got them at such a bargain price), but they'll do me.
First up we have a GCR 9F (LNER N5) 0-6-2 in GCR black.
(Bleurgh. What is it with camera focus these days?) Not a bad little model, but the transfers let it down somewhat. Now you may be thinking 'James, you built an N5 a few years ago- why buy one?', but the thing is that whilst I was pleased with my hackbashed example when I built it, since then it has fallen down the ranks and now languishes somewhere on the 'really needs replacing' list- alongside the D6 that I was so proud of a few years ago.
Next up is a GCR 9K (LNER C13) 4-4-2 in BR black.
(That's better!) This was sold as being a scratchbuild effort (I wish my scratchbuilds were quite as good!) with a dodgy motor- it runs perfectly well backwards but not quite so well forwards. There are also one of two bits that look to be missing- eg the whistle. Now my plans with this one are to repaint it in LNER black and replace the motor and chassis. I'll be looking through my old Railway Modellers this afternoon for the Ian Beattie drawings of the C13 and C14, to compare the driving wheel sizes and spacings with the GWR 14xx, which strikes me as being perhaps the most likely candidate for a donor chassis.
And so on to...
... GCR Class 1 (LNER B2) "City of London". I've wanted a B2 for years and I'm really pleased I won this loco. My original aim was to repaint it into LNER livery as "City of Lincoln" but I think the GCR dark green and claret livery suits the loco much better than apple green. I'll be reading John Quick's GCR liveries book today to see if "City of Lincoln" ever saw GCR green or whether it remained in black through to LNER ownership. It does need a bit of attention both structurally and in terms of paint finish (there is, for instance, no attempt at cab lining on the model).
And finally, I've started work on my Gorton mogul neverwazza.
Quite a handsome looking machine in W A Tuplin's "Great Central Steam". The first step to take was to measure up the 43xx boiler against the D11 spare I bought a few weeks ago. There was about 7mm discrepancy- the D11 being too long- however re-reading the book it says that the boiler was merely based upon that fitted to the Director's, rather than being a proper Director boiler. I felt therefore that the easiest solution to the problem would be the most appropriate, and carefully cut away the rear 6mm of the ex-Director's firebox. Now the next step will be cut away the 43xx boiler and running plate between the cab and the bufferbeam.
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Some intriguing models that you have acquired. Looking at the C13, I think that the cab roof might need reworking before you put a new whistle in place - it looks rather flat and doesn't have the distinctive shape to it. Overall, I think you could get away with running the trio on any GCR layout.
Brian
Anything weird or unusual will catch my interest, be it an express or locomotive
I'm also drawn to the commemorative, let's hope Bachmann will produce 6165 Valour.
Anything weird or unusual will catch my interest, be it an express or locomotive
I'm also drawn to the commemorative, let's hope Bachmann will produce 6165 Valour.