Information on L&NER 1782

[driverdave316]

Hello all.My mum has recently found a photo of a loco which we think her grandad may have worked on.He was a driver with the L.N.E.R The loco is 1782,the tender is signed L& NER rather than LNER. We wondered if anyone would have any information such as depot or route allocations.Any information or other sources would be very gratefully read.Thanks for your time in reading this

[Greedy Boards]

Hi

I believe that the L&NER title was used in the period just after the Big Four Grouping of 1923, so the photo may possibly date to the mid-1920s, before the '&' was dropped and became the LNER.

Any idea where your grandfather may have lived and worked at this time?

Checked my North Eastern records, and I can't find a North Eastern locomotive with that number, albeit that they had two lcomotives with No 1781 a Class J26 0-6-0, and No 1783 a Class G5 0-4-4T. So have carried out a web-search for LNER Locomotive No 1782, which indicates a Robinson A5 locomotive with that number, BUT it was a tank engine without a tender, so you mentioned a tender in your e-mail, and this would be at odds.

Do you have any further info that could narrow the field?

Regards

Greedy Boards

[Darryl Tooley]

Mr Boards is correct: The ampersand puts it down to very early days for the LNER and there was no tender engine with that number at grouping or after the renumbering. So it's still carrying its pre-grouping number, but none of the constituent companies, as far as I can tell, had a number 1782 at grouping.

The answer, I suspect, is on page 63 of Volume 14 of Yeadon's Register of LNER Locomotives, where there is a picture of L&NER 1785, one of the final batch of 'Clauds' delivered in the summer of '23. Only the last 4 of this batch got the 'E' suffix, which would otherwise have been a giveaway. Without seeing the photograph, I wouldn't want to swear to it, but it looks like your engine is D16 class No 1782, built 30/6/23, later renumbered to 8782, probably at its first shopping in October '24, and a Stratford engine for the first seven years of its life.

Best wishes

D

[Bill Bedford]

1782 was an A5 into traffic 1/1926. Which seem a bit late to have the ampersand, unless no one told Hawthorn-Lelslie not to put it on.

[earlswood nob]

Happy New Year to all
If the Claud 1782 was renumbered 8782 in 1924, this would leave the number clear for an A5 in 1926.
Earlswood nob

[john coffin]

remember that almost all the pre existing, ie pre grouping locos were only repainted when they had a repair in the early part of 1923/4, it took some while for the board of the LNER to finalise the numbering and livery details, so in 1923, locos from all the grouping companies could have had the same number.

It would be useful if you were able to scan the photo and post it here, then the answer would be easy.

Paul

[driverdave316]

Thanks so much for the quick replies,I am working on scanning the photo now.Will post ASAP Thanks again

[52D]

The NER had a 1782 a 93 class 0-6-0 renumbered into capital stock from the duplicate list on 1st January 1894. I don't know its date of withdrawl,

[Manxman1831]

BRDatabase has three suspects - GCR A5 1782 (mostly not the loco in question whit you mentioning a tender); GER D16 1782; GNR K2 1782.

[earlswood nob]

Afternoon all
1782 was only allocated to a K2 after the 1946 renumbering, so never ran with L&NER under that number.
The highest number on GNR was 1770 which was a N2.
Earlswood nob

[Manxman1831]

On that basis, without seeing a photo, the loco in question is likely to be the D16.

[driverdave316]

Sorry for the delay in scanning the photo,a few problems. Upon second viewing I can see that there is no separate tender.That's the extent of my knowledge of steam. We think the chappie on the footplate is my Great Granddad who lived in Stratford,East London.Not sure of the date unfortunately. Any information on the engine,depots,workings etc would be very much appreciated.Many thanks

[richard]

Yes that is a D16 "Super Claud".

The Clauds (D14, D15, D16) were inherited from the GER - which ties with Stratford.

There's more information on the Clauds on this site, here:

http://www.lner.info/locos/D/d14d15d16.shtml

Note the picture of the first D16 (No. 1605) about halfway down the page.
Note also the larger boiler compared to the earlier versions.

The Clauds were fine engines, and must have been quite a sight in their original GER Blue. Your grandfather's would be in LNER lined green, but still looks like it would still have been quite a sight in full colour!

[john coffin]

the tender lettering shows that the picture was taken during the first couple of years after the formation of the LNER, since it carries L&NER.

Interesting to think that the original poster does not understand about separate tenders and or tank engines, shows how much knowledge is lost due to the lack of education about even our recent engineering history, pretty sad really.

Checking Yeadons, it seems that this was a post Grouping built D16/3 assuming that 1782 became 8782. It seems to have lasted until 1960

Interesting for us none GER types

Paul

[Manxman1831]

John,
DriverDave did know enough originally about the loco to know that it had a tender and not tanks. I think that the recent operations of 4472 and 4464 with the extra water tender may have muddied the water slightly. It was I, with not having any picture to work with, who just looked up the number and threw out the possible combinations. As for allocations, which other sheds would the loco have been at, assuming Stratford was where it was based when the photo was taken? I'm considering that most railwaymen would have lived within a half-hours journey from their place of work, unless they were in the offices.