gathering of A4s

[Atlantic 3279]

This may be one of your last chances to see the two long-exiled A4s before they return to North America, and they'll be in a real steam-shed environment with a noteworthy LNER model railway for added interest:

http://www.barrowhill.org/links/GIANTSOFSTEAM.pdf

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[49413]

hi guys
when the A4s were sent to the over the pond, they were both repainted by BR. in the (then) current paint .a bit of work with a pen knife would reveal the true colours . mind you, I think no/8 was painted at crewe.
neither loco looks dark enough to me, but I don't know the lighting conditions .was T.V.there & filming?.
the shade of green paint applied by crewe was different to that used by Doncaster. but that may have been the way it was applied.
I don't think the numbers look right on any of them, but there is plenty of photo evidence out there.
I always believed cabside numbers were painted free hand on the bigger locos, but I,m prepared to be corrected on that one ,and yes ,the lining out is wrong i think. that should be check-able by looking at photos of Dom of Canada taken on her arrival.

[D2100]

when the A4s were sent to the over the pond, they were both repainted by BR. in the (then) current paint .a bit of work with a pen knife would reveal the true colours .

Am I reading this correctly, you're suggesting deliberate damage to preserved locomotives for the sake of curiosity

[49413]

when the A4s were sent to the over the pond, they were both repainted by BR. in the (then) current paint .a bit of work with a pen knife would reveal the true colours .

Am I reading this correctly, you're suggesting deliberate damage to preserved locomotives for the sake of curiosity

already been damaged using the wrong shade of paint & re-fitting the bell on DoC

[D2100]

Am I reading this correctly, you're suggesting deliberate damage to preserved locomotives for the sake of curiosity

already been damaged using the wrong shade of paint & re-fitting the bell on DoC

What an odd perspective. I trust that if any preservationists are on the forum, they're suitably cautioned by what they read here.

[49413]

im suggesting that as people seem to be concerned about the colour these engines have been painted a small flake of paint taken from a area that would not be obvious could settle the matter. the area could then be easily re painted.
If desired, the paint could be analysed .it would ,of course ,be leaded, which could make an exact match, impossible.
im not sure I understand why people get all protective over something as trivial as a bit of paint.
the only 2 engines I am aware of, in this country, that may warrant this level of concern are 4073 , and 46235,. Both are effectively time capsules .

one could have said the same about no/s 8 & 10, until they had a load of nice new paint ,vintage 2013 . think about it.
preserved A4 s in shiny new paint are not an endangered species.
A4s in genuine 1964 condition are now extinct. its not me with the conservation problem .I would have just given them a damn good clean

if you really want to prevent any kind of damage to a preserved loco, you may as well close down the entire preservation movement.
or were you just pulling my leg ?

[D2100]

im suggesting that as people seem to be concerned about the colour these engines have been painted a small flake of paint taken from a area that would not be obvious could settle the matter. the area could then be easily re painted.

With the owner's permission, I assume? - see below.

im not sure I understand why people get all protective over something as trivial as a bit of paint.

Perhaps because it's not your paint? Are we to assume then that you would happily let someone take a paint sample from your car, just because they were 'a bit concerned'?

if you really want to prevent any kind of damage to a preserved loco, you may as well close down the entire preservation movement.
or were you just pulling my leg ?

Pulling your leg? Not at all.

AFAIC, if someone puts time and money into preserving anything - a loco, car, bus, plane, whatever - it's their property and they have the right to treat it as they see fit. If that entails it looking as we all remember it when we were knee-high to a Hillman Imp, that's a bonus, but it shouldnt be expected as of right. Being a realistic kinda guy, I dont expect to prevent damage to anything - I was just concerned that you seem to be encouraging it.

[markindurham]

Number 8 had been repainted whilst Stateside, so the argument for her falls over straight away. As for Number 10, to leave her in the condition she was in would have been asking for trouble, imo. Her paintwork was not going to protect her for much longer, so would people have preferred to see her slowly rusting away?

The only remaining representative locomotive of a genuine BR livery paint job as done by BR is 'City of Birmingham', I think, as she's not had her asbestos removed, & has been kept under cover since being presented to Birmingham, other than when she was moved to her new location. As asbestos issues now prevent her being moved anywhere without massive expense, as per Bob Meanley in a recent Steam Railway, as well as her owners being pretty protective of her, her paint job appears to be safe.

Mark

[60800]

To set this straight;

No.10's paint job was practically condensed 'dust' - the condition of the paint was terrible, mainly on the LHS boiler casing above and forward of the firebox. She was beginning to rust away, so if the paint had been left as it was, the casing would have very quickly rusted away. During the restoration, areas of GARTER BLUE and APPLE GREEN were found, mainly inside the boiler hatches. These were conserved along with patches of BR GREEN and traces of BR BLUE inside the boiler casing, hence 60010 is still a time capsule on the inside.

No.8 was COMPLETELY stripped down on the outside by the Americans, stripping out ALL of the filler and previous traces of other liveries. She was painted in an American Brunswick Green, the only untouched areas being the late BR emblems on the tender sides.

46235 is a rather confusing kettle of fish. Reports on her final restoration by BR and her current condition vary massively. I haven't seen the loco personally, so can only say that the reports range from a 'worn out' loco with patched up paint work, to a 'prime condition' Duchess that received a full overhaul to mainline working condition, including a full repaint. Regardless, the paintwork is beginning to look a little tired. Thanks to years of being dragged back and forth by a hydraulic ram with no lubrication, the bearings are pretty much ######. People have come forward to suggest that 46235 be test steamed in her current condition with little more than a visual check over

[mick b]

Saw them yesterday looking very good in particular Canada is superb. Dwight front end and chimney looks very battered even in its new coat of paint , the high gloss paint tends to exagerrate the dents as well.

No I didnt try and dig some paint off quite bizarre to even consider it

I will post some pics in due course.

[mick b]

Saturday morning a tad busy.

Virtually impossible to get any distance shots so some detail pictures.

[mick b]

[mick b]