P2 update

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One of the principal reasons I'm going. I double checked with Simon Kohler a couple of weeks ago in order to be dead certain that Hornby, the model, and Mr K himself would be there.

I'll wait to see it from directly above at the weekend, but I'm tempted to think that the image in the preceding link, reproduced below, shows evidence of correct variation in the width of the boiler casing, i.e. widest around the front of the firebox. If so, NICE!
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Bit of a shame the image and announcement is now splurged on the politically correct modelling site - I hope that doesn't lead to a scrum around the Hornby stand....
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Looks gorgeous and certainly better than the expensive kit-built model I simply had to have many years ago!

If they eventually bring out all 6, (and perhaps 2007), I shall have to have them all!

Better work even more hours!
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Wow.....
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
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Having now clapped my eyes on the sample model in the flesh at Barrow Hill I can report favourably on several aspects of it, free from any photographic illusions:

COLOUR - the body colour was pretty reasonable compared to some pre-painted Phoenix Precison and Railmatch Doncaster Green colour chips that I took with me.

HANDRAILS - without the glow of the silver highlighting caused by photo lighting they appear much finer, and the moulded ones on the cab and tnder are the best examples of moulded handrails I've yet seen. From the normally visible side the handrails have a degree of undercut so convincing that I had to had to have a really good look in order to satisfy myself that they were not actually separate items.

BOILER CASING SHAPE - as already reported by St Johnstoun it is correctly egg-shaped in section (tightest curve at the top) AND I can add that there is the correct shaping of the sides of the casing to give greatest width at the front of the firebox. Superb!

Okay, the super-detail boiler lining has too much white and not enough width of black, the smokebox dart is moulded, there's no inside handrail on the right smoke deflector and the buffer heads are solid plug-ins in the sockets, but those wanting a model a cut above others can do something about these "niggles" if they care to take the trouble.

I even believe that certain key dimensions of the model are encouraging for those who might hope for 2002 to 2006 in due course......

When time permits I'll see if any of my snaps of the model help to demonstrate the quality of its features. I didn't have the ideal camera, and pictures taken behind glass cabinet front as well as through overlying glass sheves are not the best!
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Hi Atlantic, thanks for that review.

Were you looking at the Railroad version, taking into account would you said about the buffers, boiler lining, rails etc, or the expensive version.
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Good morning all
The news is good for Cock o' the North. Even this died in the wool "Non RTR" modeller is thinking of getting one.
Probably, what interests me is that it costs less than half what a PDK kit would cost to build, and I'm not sure I could build a decent etched kit.
It will be interesting to see how powerful a motor Hornby fit. It would be great to have a P2 capable of prototypical loads.
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I was principally looking at the super-detail / posh / expensive version, but at box-shifter prices it isn't that expensive really for a loco of that type.

I forgot to ask Simon K about the slack fit of the coupling rods and whether anything tighter might feature on the production version without bu88ering up the running qualities.
At Tom 2750's suggestion however I did enquire whether it might be possible to move the injection moulded colour of the wheels into closer agreement with the painted superstructure.
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Atlantic 3279 wrote: I forgot to ask Simon K about the slack fit of the coupling rods and whether anything tighter might feature on the production version without bu88ering up the running qualities.
At Tom 2750's suggestion however I did enquire whether it might be possible to move the injection moulded colour of the wheels into closer agreement with the painted superstructure.
Ah yes, but sadly he hadn't put the connection together that it hasn't matched on any of Hornby's super detailed apple green pacifics!
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Or that even the wheels come in different shades too !! :shock:
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More pics from Barrow Hill on Model Rail's Facebook page including this nice side on shot:

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That broadside close-up of 2001 above is far better than any of the pictures that I managed to take, and it reveals or reminds me of a few points:

1. Lower handrail on firebox side missing - but note that the knobs are there so I'm sure it will be present on the production loco, as a separate wire item. It was actually there on the model at Barrow Hill at the start of Saturday morning, but pointing skywards out of only the rear knob. I think it was judiciously removed by Mr Kohler to stop it looking silly.

2. It looks like there's an element of that dreaded "sagging rear end" of the running plate, more common so far on Bachmann Pacifics that on Hornby models. It may indicate the mode of construction of this new model.

3. I think the picture confirms something that I thought inevitable, having built a model of a similar loco on the same wheelbase and with the same coupled wheel sizes. You just cannot have ABSOLUTELY FULL SCALE DIAMETER coupled wheels and still have flange sizes that will be workable on typical OO track in the absence of some fancy springing or compensation. I've had assurances that all dimensions are as they should be, but the flanges in that image, whilst small, are not ultra-fine, so either the wheel diameter must be just a shade small or the wheelbase slightly lengthened.
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G'day all one a rainy day in Surrrey
I rebuilt my old Kays P2 chassis in 2010 and took a pic as I was pleased to get the wheels so close together without touching.
It is a Gibson chassis with Markits 24.7mm wheels.
The tread diameter of the wheels, as measured by me, is 24.5mm. The rim diameter is 25.7mm. The Gibson chassis is 26mm axle centres.
This leaves a gap of 0.3mm.
Do Hornby work to RP25 profile?
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Did you fit brakes?
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How well does it cope with unintended undulations in track on curves Malcolm? You may not have such things in your trackwork of course, but sadly I do, and my Bulleid 2-8-2 built with scale size 6'2" wheels on 6'6" wheel spacings inevitably required flange reduction to RP25 dimensions or thereabouts, and despite ample sideplay throughout it would NOT behave on my bends until I set the leading coupled axle a touch lower than the intermediates and gave it freedom to tilt as if in a compensated four-coupled chassis.

This absolutely DIRE picture does show some evidence of Hornby's correct incorporation of greater width in the boiler casing around the front of the firebox, with relative narrowing fore and aft of that position.
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Afternoon all
I didn’t fit brakes when I built the chassis as I wasn’t capable of doing it at the time. I think I could make an effort to do so now, with Morgan Gilbert’s method of using fine tubing. Something else on the roundtuit list.
I don’t have a proper layout yet (plans are afoot), so it’s difficult to assess potential performance. It wasn’t too keen to go through large radius points (5ft radius??), until I hinged the coupling rods.
I must do some work as the G/F is coming round for dinner and I need to visit the supermarket to get some Oven Clean as I used it up stripping paint from the L1.
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