Returning to Grantham

[Iron Duke]

Gas lamps at Grantham.

Can anyone put an approx date this picture?

ID

[Andy W]

The C12 on pilot duty with a tender next to it sporting a later BR emblem narrows it down to 1957/8.

[strang steel]

On the previous page we established a transition date between bullhead and flat-bottom on the down fast to be summer 1957, so it cannot be before Aug 1957 which narrows Andy W's dates down a little further.

Looking at the weather/sky conditions (and I realise the dangers in this assumption), I might suggest that the photo was taken during late Autumn or Winter.

Edited, to say that I am having second thoughts about that previous statement, as a close look at the sliding window ventilators on the leading Mk1, seems to show them all open quite wide. Maybe the day was warm and thundery, with a storm having just passed over the Grantham area?

[Bryan]

The BR 1 spiked baseplates were generally laid around 1956 58.
I do not think I have ever seen any not dated in anything but those years.

[61070]

One thing I've noticed from this photo is that the northward extension to the up platform was built a little higher than the old platform. The ramped area is noticeable adjacent to the last coach of the train standing at platform 2. I hadn't remembered this, or noticed it before from my own photos, but I can see it now on one or two of them, e.g. download/file.php?id=5751&mode=view .

[workev]

With all the excitement of the Great Gathering (which I think shows what the NRM can do....!), and the impending visit of Mallard to Grantham, I thought I would remind folks that 60008 and 60010 were at Grantham for a few months in Summer 1957. Along with 60003 and 60030 they were transferred to Grantham for a reason that nobody really knows.

3 and 10 spent much of that time at Doncaster, but 8 and 30 have been recorded as working Grantham links in May 1957.

Both 8 and 10 looked resplendent at NRM, fantastic, if cosmetic, restorations.

Ian

[Iron Duke]

Can anyone identify the vehicle on the right?
Location - Grantham.
Looking forward to the meeting at Grantham Railway Club 24th July.
If you are going to this event, please bring along any other photos (and memories) you may have.

[strang steel]

While doing some online family tree research, I have stumbled across a "Return of staff" for October 1939 at "Grantham Passenger".

The station master at that time was Harold Gardner b 8/11/1891 and entered service on 24/12/1906.

His wages were £450 a year (not bad for 1939).

The Chief Clerk was Alfred Scrimshire b 17/1/1897 - entered service on 27/3/1911

His annual pay was £230

The Clerk was Sydney Harmston b 5/6/1906 - entered service on 15/12/1921 who was paid £200 p.a.

Junior Clerk was Gwendoline Alice Worsdale b 20/3/1917 - entered service 16/4/1934 - paid £1 18s a week.


There were 3 Inspectors:-

Cecil Ernest Musson b 24/6/1890 - entered service 20/7/1904 - paid £4 8s 6d per week

Francis James Buttery b 28/7/1887 - entered service 4/12/1904 - paid £4 4s 6d per week

Joseph Darmon b 24/8/1884 - entered service 17/9/1900 - paid £4 4s 6d per week


And 3 Relief Signalmen:-

James Palmer b 17/2/1878 - entered service 17/10/1892 - paid £4 per week

Henry Charles Swallow b 6/6/1890 - entered service 19/4/05 - paid £3 10s per week

Bertie Sidney Brassley b 7/8/1897 - entered service 27/10/13 - paid £3 10s per week


North Box Signalmen were:-

John William Bland b 13/12/1876 - entered service 4/12/1892 - paid £3 15s per week

Wadkin Hare b 3/7/1887 - entered service 1/1/1902 - paid £3 15s per week

Harold Bullimore b 8/7/1886 - entered service -/-/1900 - paid £3 15s per week


South Box Signalmen were:-

William Sheffield b 25/5/1879 - entered service -/10/1898 - paid £3 10s per week

Arthur Chalkley b 6/6/1877 - entered service 23/3/1892 - paid £3 10s per week

Herbert William Burrows b 15/1/1889 - entered service 1/6/1910 - paid £3 10s per week


Yard Box Signalmen were:-

Thomas Stephen Carter b 4/9/1882 - entered service -/2/1906 - paid £3 5s per week

Arthur Gilbert b 6/9/1885 - entered service 28/3/1900 - paid £3 5s per week

Albert Taylor b 10/2/1892 - entered service -/-/1907 - paid £3 5s per week


Barrowby Road Box Signalmen were:-

Lewin Soons b 12/3/1889 - entered service 12/10/1903 - paid £2 15s per week

Stanley Armstrong b 5/11/1906 - entered service 21/3/1921 - paid £2 15s per week

Joseph William Booth b 6/10/1906 - entered service 17/1/1921 - paid £2 15s per week


Gonerby Box Signalmen were:-

Joseph William Drage b 27/11/1903 - entered service 28/7/1919 - paid £2 15s per week

Donald Gordon Weavers b 13/6/1915 - entered service 31/12/1919 - paid £2 15s per week


There are many more entries, covering Guards, Porters, Shunters, etc which I may return to later if I have the time.

[Iron Duke]

Fantastic...

This is really good information John and just the type of interesting background human story that we want to record.
I am sure that I speak for my other two colleagues in relaying our thanks to you for posting this and hope to see more when you have time.

We do intend to document as much background information (like the above) on staff who have worked at Grantham but realise that this will take some time.
We also welcome input from any members who can provide snippets in any form for our project.

If you want to respond directly to us please use the link shown by Ian (workev) in previous pages or post on this thread.
Our project will be open for anyone to view and in particular those interested in learning about Grantham as a railway town.

ID

[61070]

I'll gladly second that! I'm trying to compile a list of Grantham Station Masters and I had a note of an 'H. Gardener', who was appointed in 1938, but I had neither his first name nor his d.o.b. Also, there's reference to an Inspector Buttery in the LNER magazine of 1947, and there he is in 1939 too.

Thanks very much for listing all those names and dates.

If you're going back to the record sometime there's something not right about the dates associated with Donald Gordon Weavers (the second of the Gonerby signalmen). He was born in 1915 (I've found his birth record), in Grantham, but presumably he would have entered the service in (or around) 1929, rather than in 1919?

[Mickey]

Here's some more former Grantham railway staff from yesteryear that you may already have?.

1898 Signalman Herring (no christian name mentioned?) a signalman at Grantham for over 31 years and working at Grantham yard box in 1898.


1906 Signalman Alfred Day a signalman for 11 years and working at Grantham south box in 1906.

1906 Telegraph lad Thomas William Sellars at Grantham south box for 6 months (possibly for more then 6 months?) in 1906.

1906 Signalman Isaac Crowson a signalman for nearly 22 years at Grantham yard box in 1906.

1906 Signalman Richard Scoffin a signalman for nearly 16 years and working Grantham north box in 1906.

All the above names are mentioned in the accident reports for the two accidents at Grantham in 1898 & 1906.

[strang steel]

I'll gladly second that! I'm trying to compile a list of Grantham Station Masters and I had a note of an 'H. Gardener', who was appointed in 1938, but I had neither his first name nor his d.o.b. Also, there's reference to an Inspector Buttery in the LNER magazine of 1947, and there he is in 1939 too.

Thanks very much for listing all those names and dates.

If you're going back to the record sometime there's something not right about the dates associated with Donald Gordon Weavers (the second of the Gonerby signalmen). He was born in 1915 (I've found his birth record), in Grantham, but presumably he would have entered the service in (or around) 1929, rather than in 1919?

Thanks John. I think that is a simple clerical error on the form because I have looked at the original and I have just copied it without really thinking about what I was typing.

Here are more from 1939, starting with the Telegraph Lads:-


South Box

George Edward Wing b 24/1/1920 - entered service 25/2/1935 - pay £1 15s per week

Douglas Henry Tindall b 2/7/1920 - entered service 6/1/1935 - pay £1 15s per week

Sydney Harold Speed b 24/9/1919 - entered service 17/9/1934 - pay £1 15s per week

Francis Arthur Wright b 9/11/1921 - entered service 24/1/1938 - pay £1 5s per week ("learning" is annotated at the name)


Yard Box

Kenneth James Holdsworth b 6/4/1920 - entered service 1/4/1935 - pay £1 15s per week

Roland Harris b 2/2/1921 - entered service 30/1/1939 - pay £1 10s per week

(1 vacancy)


North Box

Joseph Raymond Laughton b 25/10/1919 - entered service 1/11/1937 - pay £1 15s per week

Ernest William Atter b 6/12/1919 - entered service 14/3/1938 - pay £1 15s per week

Stanley Brackenbury b 14/2/1921 - entered service 30/1/1939 - pay £1 10s per week

Kenneth Edward Nicholls b 14/10/1921 - entered service 15/5/1939 - pay £1 10s per week


Travelling Ticket Inspector

Charles Stancer b -/11/1894 - entered service -/5/1910 - pay £2 18s per week


Station Foremen

Gerald Selby b 25/5/1899 - entered service 13/3/1915 - pay £3 5s per week

Clarence Algernon Moorhouse b 20/10/1891 - entered service -/10/1905 - pay £3 5s per week


Parcels Porters

William Hill b 16/12/1896 - entered service -/3/1910 - pay £2 10s per week

Horace Albert Broughton b 17/3/1898 - entered service 13/12/1915 - pay £2 10s per week

Frederick Vernom b 18/5/1876 - entered service 24/5/1897 - pay £2 10s per week

Bert Bean b 4/8/1898 - entered service -/-/1910 - pay £2 10s per week

William Horace Holvey b 27/9/1897 - entered service 15/5/1911 - pay £2 10s per week

Wilfred Walton Lamb b 4/5/1893 - entered service 13/5/1913 - pay £2 10s per week

George Archibald Bird b 7/10/1899 - entered service -/3/1915 - pay £2 10s per week

David Green b 18/12/1896 - entered service -/2/1910 - pay £2 10s per week

Ernest Henry Richardson b 24/05/1907 - entered service 20/3/1924 - pay £2 10s per week

[strang steel]

After the Parcels Porters are the Porters:-


Francis Frederick Fickling b 20/9/1876 - entered service -/6/1900 - paid £2 5s per week

Simon Luke Ellis b 13/10/1881 - entered service -/6/1898 - paid £2 5s per week

George Prince b 12/1/1875 - entered service -/3/1901 - paid £2 5s per week

John William Tomblin b 31/3/1875 - entered service -/8/1898 - paid £2 5s per week

Edward Kew b 10/8/1882 - entered service -/-/1899 - paid £2 5s per week

Frank James Maddison b 24/3/1886 - entered service 23/5/1910 - paid £2 5s per week

Leslie Mapletoft b 21/1/1892 - entered service -/6/1919 - paid £2 5s per week

Albert Edward Morris b 7/2/1891 - entered service 6/11/1919 - paid £2 5s per week

Edgar Francis Ingram Smith b 30/4/1884 - entered service 31/7/1922 - paid £2 5s per week

Ingram Herbert Mackay b 18/3/1899 - entered service 5/3/1923 - paid £2 5s per week

Edward Sharman b 23/9/1911 - entered service 29/7/1919 - paid £2 5s per week

Jack Wright b 21/1/1919 - entered service 4/9/1933 - paid £2 5s per week


Porter Guard

Harold Wright b 7/12/1900 - entered service 1/1/1917 - paid £2 7s 6d per week


Lad Messengers

Grenville Thomas Green b 31/7/1921 - entered service 3/5/1937 - paid £1 10s per week

Reginald Sydney Laughton b 11/4/1922 - entered service 7/8/1939 - paid £1 5s per week

George Thomas Armstrong b 20/10/1922 - entered service 7/6/1937 - paid £1 5s per week


Ladies Waiting Room Attendant

Miss E M Woolnough b 25/10/1886 - entered service 3/11/1920 - paid £1 3s per week


Signal Lampman

Herbert Porter b 5/5/1908 - entered service 23/6/1923 - paid £2 6s per week


Station Lampmen

William Cox b 29/9/1884 - entered service 26/3/1900 - paid £2 6s per week

Arthur Bradley b 25/9/1888 - entered service -/-/1912 - paid £2 6s per week

Albert Edwin Wright b 20/10/1898 - entered service 8/3/1922 - paid £2 6s per week

[strang steel]

Next come the Passenger Guards:-

George Wand b 26/12/1875 - entered service 12/5/1897 - paid £3 5s per week

John Ernest Dexter b 16/5/1875 - entered service 1/4/1892 - paid £3 5s per week

William Goodliff b 21/5/1887 - entered service -/9/1902 - paid £3 5s per week

Edwin Burgoine b 10/3/1902 - entered service 19/3/1916 - paid £3 5s per week

Charles Henry Tindall b 17/2/1882 - entered service 1/1/1900 - paid £3 5s per week

William Wakefield b 5/10/1881 - entered service -/6/1906 - paid £3 5s per week

Albert Henry Derbyshire b 23/4/1899 - entered service 15/5/1913 - paid £3 5s per week

James Arthur Hollis b 9/5/1884 - entered service 5/12/1905 - paid £3 5s per week

George Henry Mableson b 10/6/1899 - entered service 10/11/1914 - paid £3 5s per week


Goods Guards

William Knott b 11/10/1876 - entered service 1/12/1893 - paid £3 5s per week

Herbert Ash b 10/1/1875 - entered service 28/3/1889 - paid £3 5s per week

Walter Pizer b 7/12/1885 - entered service 7/5/1906 - paid £3 5s per week

Thomas Booth b 9/3/1881 - entered service 17/6/1902 - paid £3 5s per week

Alfred Frederick Tuxford b 15/12/1888 - entered service -/6/1902 - paid £3 5s per week

George Sharman b 10/11/1883 - entered service 11/6/1906 - paid £3 5s per week

Alfred George Goldsmith b 10/9/1881 - entered service -/-/1901 - paid £3 5s per week

William Henry Barsby b 11/11/1876 - entered service -/11/1897 - paid £3 5s per week

Gordon Bassett Waller b 28/9/1885 - entered service -/11/1897 - paid £3 5s per week

Thomas Northing b 5/11/1893 - entered service 15/8/1908 - paid £3 5s per week

Edward Brightman b 12/12/1885 - entered service 10/3/1910 - paid £3 5s per week

James Arthur Beck b 6/12/1882 - entered service -/9/1905 - paid £3 5s per week

John Joseph Speed b 22/2/1890 - entered service 1/7/1912 - paid £3 5s per week

Samuel Knipe b 27/1/1881 - entered service 2/4/1904 - paid £3 5s per week

Daniel Perry b 30/11/1876 - entered service 11/7/1907 - paid £3 5s per week

Albert Edward Finch b 20/9/1902 - entered service 18/2/1918 - paid £3 5s per week

Alfred Ernest Dickinson b 19/11/1896 - entered service 20/4/1911 - paid £3 5s per week

Percy Albert Coppar b 4/5/1891 - entered service -/4/1912 - paid £3 5s per week

Herbert Knipe b 6/1/1894 - entered service 18/5/1914 - paid £3 5s per week

Russell Thomas Bromley b 7/6/1894 - entered service 27/2/1922 - paid £3 5s per week

Frank Harold Marshall b 28/11/1901 - entered service 23/4/1917 - paid £3 5s per week

Herbert Charles Speechley b 27/5/1903 - entered service 15/4/1918 - paid £3 5s per week

George William Ancliffe b 5/3/1881 - entered service -/1/1905 - paid £3 per week (annotated "learning")

[61070]

That's nearly 100 people already on a rough and ready count, and I can think of several categories of station-based staff not (yet?) listed, quite apart from all the loco shed-based staff, pw and S&T gangs etc. etc. A superb find, John, which goes to show what an important employer the railway was. Many thanks for listing all the data.