Thompson Corridor Third 1623

[4493]

Hi vernon,

I think 60044 is having PC problems at the moment, so I have attached a scan of a pre production sample of "Fawn rep" unfortunatley the scan colours are totally wrong! The clue is in the name, the background colour is fawn a 50/50 mix of humbrol 62 and 63 should be close, the pattern is a chocolate brown- nothing similar in Humbrol but Precision P60 LNER coach teak(!) is close.

Regards 4493

The first person to scale the attachment down, print on tissue paper and authentically upholster compartment seats wins a day volunteering at Pickering, runners up two days etc...

Fawn Rep A.pdf

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[notascoobie]

Hi Woodcock,

Thanks for that. Although it's called "fawn" the dominant colour is the chocolate brown in the pattern. I had imagined that it would be a lighter colour. I can understand why there were complaints about the colour scheme!

Best I get the paintbrush out again.

Regards,

Vernon

[4493]

Vernon,

Dont rush for the paint brush! The scan gives a wrong impression the dominant colour is fawn. The material is quite a good match for the varnished teak interior, the background matches the teak and the pattern matches the brown painted fittings.
From a distance the sample looks a darker shade of fawn, not chocolate brown.
Complaints about the colour scheme?- please elaborate.

regards,

4493

[notascoobie]

Complaints about the colour scheme?- please elaborate.

regards,

4493

Good morning,

Thanks for the update, the GWR chocolate was virtually in my hand as you posted....

I thought I had read in Harris's writings that a customer's complaint regarding the drab interior of LNER main line passenger stock was taken up by the LNER board and that this prompted SNG to change the internal colour scheme to painted finishes with rexine wall coverings and moquette fabrics in both first and third class.

Regards,

Vernon

[sawdust]

Well the fawn rep is a moquette

The pattern books at the NRM describe some very jazzy moquette samples from the 1938 Flying Scotsman and Silver Jubilee as 'Rep', so it would appear that rep became used as a generic term at some point.

Having Rexined four carriages, I can assure you the motivation for using it would be mostly down to speed! No tedious waiting for paint and varnish to dry, no multiple coats. Just paste and go! Besides most thirds would have been brown Rexine anyway, hardly a vibrant colour scheme.

Having peeked in one of the rolls of fawn rep this morning (with 3669's co-owner) I can assure you the compartments of 3669 will be no less drab than the one in 1623 where I'm sitting typing right now.

Sawdust.

[1H was 2E]

Can I jump in here about Holdsworth's and 'rep'? Back in 1970 I sold my LMS TO to the railway it ran on (fed up with everyone standing on the seats to lean out of the window and also damaging the veneers with push-chairs etc) and bought a double deck bus instead. The 'fleet' has expanded since. Some have mocquette on the squabs and cushions and rep on the seat backs. Rep has loops of fibre rather than a pile, and is also described as uncut mocquettte. The latter term makes things clearer - I think that in the manufacturing process standard mocquette starts off looking like rep and is then trimmed or cut to remove the top of the loops leaving a vertical pile. I have had some experience also of having mocquette made to old specs, and there are two areas of challenge. The first is colour, and it seems that the yarn used nowadays is more stridently, shall I say, coloured than the old stuff, and of course the manufacturer is presumably limited by availability of shades - obviously, the loom does not colour the yarn. The result is a fairly bright design becomes almost fluorescent. The other reservation is that modern looms produce patterns which are more 'block-y', the pattern consisting of visible small blocks rather than an almost imperceptible change of colour. Having said all that, it still is wonderful that you can have new rolls of a pattern last made 60 years ago. If I'd known this back then maybe I would have kept the coach. PS not sure I've spelt 'mocquette right - spell check doesn't like it.

[4493]

1H,

We have not had any problems colour matching materials, though I agree that modern moquettes can look "blocky", Holdsworths modern looms use a thicker yarn which has problems replicating the fine detail in old moquettes.

[notascoobie]

Good evening,

I've just had a quick look at my copy of Harris and he says that a passenger complained in 1926 about the type and style of LNER carriage interiors and that this became a running agenda item at the SPMs' meetings. As a result, after a series of experiments, the original wood finishes with blue cloth in First and Fawn Rep in Third changed to painted and rexine surfaces with "floral moquette" in First, "special brown moquette" and "ordinary brown moquette" in Thirds with armrests and without armrests respectively.

At least that what Harris reckons and, old though I am, I'm not old enough to know better!

Regards,

Vernon

[2392]

Whilst at Pickering last Sunday doing a bit of work on the afore mentioned coach, Sawdust had a selection of pictures showing Thompson Compartments which he was using for reference. A puzzling thing came to light about compartment mirrors, there can be two types of mirror in a Thompson compartment, one with a Bakelight frame and the other a frameless version held in place four chrome clips. There seemed to be no rhyme or reason of which type was fitted when as pictures of both square and round corner window versions had both mirrors fitted. Does anybody know why there was two types?
Sawdust, what coach numbers are on the back of the examples we have would this provide a clue?

Trestrol

Indeed I popped down to the Post Office [having received a P.O. red card] to pick up an oval Bakerlite mirror frame that I'd made a successful bid for on eBay. Which I'll be transfering to the LNERCA for use one way or another in one of their fleet, even if it's used as a pattern to make new frames from. As well as LNER at one end of the oval it has the name/word CROMOID at the other, the makers perhaps, both are on the back unseen flat side?

[2392]

As this is the LNERca's first "Coach week" here is a selection of photos' of 1623 being moved from the Aitkens building and lifted off her bogies in the main C & W shops.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/11171322497 ... RSmZMGYrD8

[sawdust]

One side and end now fully scumbled.

https://plus.google.com/113863952328572 ... N6WFQKZ1zQ

Sawdust.

[sawdust]

Outside first time since repaint.

https://plus.google.com/113863952328572 ... jgByqr3Q3c

Sawdust.

[jwealleans]

Looks fantastic. When's it due back in service?

[mick b]

A real beauty

[Wavey]

Looks fantastic. When's it due back in service?

We don't have a completion date as their are too many dependencies one of which is getting the accommodation bogies from under Gresley BTK 3669 to allow full bogie overhaul of 1623s.
Completion of bogie overhaul from 3669 is held up awaiting C&W crane being re-commissioned.
1623 requires gangways refitting, steam heat radiators fitting, toilets completing and a few fiddly internal details finishing off.
Still a lot of work to do!