LNER Double Heading

[Iron Duke]

Can anyone throw any light on these two scrapbook pics?
Again no caption except the numbers of the locomotives involved.
Where & when if possible? BB is building a Keyser kit of a C1 for me at present, so the second pic is of particular interest to me.

[StevieG]

I know nothing of whether the pictured locos' stomping grounds would fit the following; but....

Not much to go on in the 2nd pic, but to me it suggests possibly a Down train on the Fast line north of Potters Bar golf course, just before Hawkshead bridge.

As to the 1st, just an off-the-wall guess but the trees on the right immediately made me wonder if it's a Down train on the '2-track' just short of Stoke tunnel.

Other more confident opinions welcome, obviously!

[manna]

G'Day Gents

Sorry I can't help with the first picture, but D49's did'nt work much on the GN.

Second , around 1925/6 timeframe.

manna

[60800]

Are you sure the A4 is 4493? The nameplate reads Gadwall to me, and the last cabside number looks like a '9' to me

[strang steel]

Crikey Blackout, you must have far better eyesight than mine to read anything on the side of the A4.

However, the milepost in front of the 70mph speed sign would seem to be 12. Surely, that should be a big clue to where the top photo was taken?

[Iron Duke]

Evening all,

Thanks for your feedback........

I have just put a magnifying glass over the first pic in the scrapbook.
Result, loads of dots, handwritten pencilled caption is certainly 4493 which I think was Woodcock?
If anyone has a pic of Gadwall to post maybe we could compare, although the front end in this pic is somewhat obscured.

[AndyRush]

Milepost 12 would suggest an up train between Raskelf and Alne, photographed from the footpath crossing at 11m 76½ch, but I'm not sure when that section was quadrupled.

The other 'main line' 12MP is south of Stannington , just before Plessey viaduct and that is two track railway.

[StevieG]

" .... However, the milepost in front of the 70mph speed sign would seem to be 12. .... "

Oops, yes I agree. Apologies, I hadn't spotted that.

[Solario]

Milepost 12 would suggest an up train between Raskelf and Alne, photographed from the footpath crossing at 11m 76½ch, but I'm not sure when that section was quadrupled.

The other 'main line' 12MP is south of Stannington , just before Plessey viaduct and that is two track railway.

It does not look at all like the mainline south of Darlington.

I am not familiar with Stannington (Northumberland), and it could well be there but could it alternatively be somewhere in Scotland? I am not sure what the NBR mile posts looked like but the D49 Stirlingshire was probably a Scottish loco (the British Steam website seems to be down at the moment, so I cannot check).

[Saint Johnstoun]

264 was a Haymarket engine pre-war and therefore I suspect that the photo is somewhere north of Newcastle.

[52A]

I would say your first picture is an up train coming off Plessey viaduct.

[Danby Wiske]

I would say your first picture is an up train coming off Plessey viaduct.

Yes, a look at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html confirms this - the coordinates needed are 422500, 579000.
The 1922 1:2,500 OS map shows the trees on the right of the photo (Plessey Hall Dene) and there is a footpath where the photo was taken from...

[52A]

And confirmed by the 12 mile post and the 70 speed restriction which used to apply there.

[Iron Duke]

Thanks very much Gents ! Amazing !

[CVR1865]

hi Iron Duke,
I have done some weird editing things to the picture and I am pretty sure that the number on the side ends 93 and the first digit is defo a 4 so probably 4493.

I can't make head not tail of the nameplate though.

thanks
Simon