So what shall we name the new P2?

[S.A.C. Martin]

I heard a rumour recently that there is another group evaluating a P2 build, somewhere in the vicinity of Doncaster. On hearing this, I suggested it should be named 'Cock o' t'Ridings' - 'Cock' being a much used form of address between males in parts of Yorkshire.

It's not really a rumour - they want to recreate no.2001 albeit in streamlined form.

[Blink Bonny]

Ay up!

There are two P2 projects on the go. The Tornado crowd are doing one, with the Donny crowd doing t'other. The A1 crowd's will have the open front and possibly Caprotti (had to check spelling there!! ) valve gear, the Donny crowds having, as Mr Martin so correctly says, the streamlined front and Walschaert gear.

Good luck to 'em both I say, but I'd prefer the Tornado crowd's proposal. Which reminds me. Must start saving pocket money for the Proscale kit.

Mrs BB - Pocket money? What's it got in its pocketses?

[60800]

Must start saving pocket money for the Proscale kit

You've officially lost it BB

Saying that, I did have my eye on DMR's rebuilt P2 at the Peterborough show

[earlswood nob]

mornin' all
TWO P2's being built....that really would be something. Six to start with and 33% being reconstructed.
Earlswood Nob

[60800]

There's fairly frequent updates from 'the Doncaster crowd' on facebook. At present, they are reproducing all the engineering drawings in CAD

[velocity]

Could anything really be better than Cock o' the North?

[2002EarlMarischal]

Could anything really be better than Cock o' the North?

Sadly in this day and age it would cause too many sniggers.

The new P2 should, without doubt, be named "James Bond". There is a Scottish connection as Wikipedia states:

"It was not until the penultimate novel, You Only Live Twice, that Fleming gave Bond a sense of family background. The book was the first to be written after the release of Dr. No in cinemas and Sean Connery's depiction of Bond affected Fleming's interpretation of the character, to give Bond both a sense of humour and Scottish antecedents that were not present in the previous stories."

With the popularity of 007, the appeal to the public would be significant.... and the number on the loco would be 2007 being next in the series!!

[giner]

Not bad, but the next sentence in that Wikipedia piece reads: "The novel reveals Bond is the son of a Scottish father, Andrew Bond, of Glencoe, and a Swiss mother, Monique Delacroix, of the Canton de Vaud."

Now, I'd propose either 'James of Glencoe' or 'Bond of Glencoe' as a new name for the P2. Either one is closer to 'something-of-something' and has a bit more derring-do than just plain old James Bond.

[S.A.C. Martin]

Well thought out argument, but it doesn't do anything for me. There's little of the railway connection there or the majesty that Tornado commands; and whilst Tornado was named for the Gulf War Jet, the name Tornado was previously used on many different railway locomotives, so there is an historical precedent there.

No, if it's to be a new P2 it needs to be either Malcolm Crawley or something in the vein of Wolf of Badenoch or Cock O'The North.

The suggestion in this thread of Lady of Lochleven is the one I still like the best, bar the rather thoughtful suggestion of a tribute to the late Mr Crawley. If the latter was seriously considered by the trust, I'd vote for it as a covenator.

[Horsetan]

As it's a P2, how about "Masonic Lodge"

[S.A.C. Martin]

There's been an update today:

P2: latest thinking

They have begun the process of designing a P2 in the VAMPIRE Delta rail program. Scroll to about halfway down the page for the latest updates.

[jukebox]

There's been an update today:

P2: latest thinking

They have begun the process of designing a P2 in the VAMPIRE Delta rail program. Scroll to about halfway down the page for the latest updates.

Well, there's your new P2 name then, eh?: 2007: VAMPIRE

1/. Like TORNADO, it's a British jet aircraft.
2/. It suggests speed and ferocity - a force to be reckoned with
3/. No doubt it could be tied in to the current Twightlight/True Blood Hollywood vampire frenzy publicity machine.

Of course running it in direct sunlight may prove problematic.

I'll get my coat...

[John Palmer]

To perpetuate the theme that runs through the names assigned to P2 class engines, may I suggest 'Laird of Claverhouse'?

'Bonnie Dundee' has already been used twice for LNER locomotives, but Scott's poem of that name about Claverhouse included references to two other class members: Mons Meg and, tangentially, Cock o' the North, who is identified by Scott as 'the gay Gordon'.

Alternatively, for those of a non-Jacobite disposition, there's the Provost's dismissve reference to Graham as the 'De(v)il of Dundee'.

There's even an oblique mention of a name borne by K4 class engine 'The Great Marquess' in the poem's reference to Montrose, but I think of K4's as engines bearing West of Scotland names, and distinct from those associated with the Aberdeen road.

[auldreekie]

Dean Brodie
Bailie Nicol Jarvie
Archbishop of St Andrews
Jeanie Deans
Luckie Mucklebackit
Laird o'Monkbarns
St Baldred
The Jewel
Claymore (better: The Auld Grey Claymore...)
Sir Walter Scott
Malcolm Canmore
Bannockburn (number: 1314, of course)
24 June 1314 (for the subtle historiographers)
Covenanter
James Hutton
Sir Alexander Geikie
Cruachan
Robert/Rabbie Burns
James Hogg
Grampian
North Briton (just to upset not only the Sassenach but also the Picts among us)
Bonnie Prince Charlie (wi'oot the jug-ears)
Rab C Nesbitt

Hoots awa. There's nae lack....

auldreekie

[Atlantic 3279]

To that list you could possibly add Jean Brodie and Billy Connolly.......