LNER & King Arthurs

52D · Post by **52D** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:14 am

No its not a movie title, apparently during WW2 SR King Arthur class locomotives were sent North can anyone supply the whys and wherefores of this occurence and the dates.
Where were these locos stabled.

52A · Post by **52A** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:25 am

http://lner-pacifics.me.uk/cms/news.php

Tommy's site above has some details.

Greeny 10A page 43 lists 739/40/2/4/7-51/4 allocated to Heaton in October 1942 to work to Edinburgh on goods trains.

YNMR · Post by **YNMR** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:04 pm

I know they worked into Hull at odd times during there stay "up north" I will dig out the details for you.

YNMR · Post by **YNMR** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 10:49 am

I have extracted the info which is from the Railway Observer in 1943.

March edition stated that SR King Arthurs have been noted on many occasions between Hull & Edinburgh. 742 Camelot, 744 Maid of Astolot, 749 Iseult & 750 Morgan Le Fay have been seen in Hull on freight traffic.

August edition talks about enginge transfers taking place in the North East due to the return of the King Arthurs to the Southern & the arrival of USA 2.8.0s.

Hope this is of interest to you.
regards
Graham

73D · Post by **73D** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:52 pm

The request came from the LNER in October 1942 and the SR, under pressure of the Ministry of War Transport, sent 10 Urie N15s

739 King Leodgrance
740 Merlin
742 Camelot
744 Maid of Astolat
747 Elaine
748 Vivien
749 Iseult
750 Morgan le Fay
751 Etarre
754 The Green Knight

They were stationed at Heaton and mainly employed on goods to Edinburgh, Leeds, Starbeck, Hull and Doncaster. They did also appear on passenger trains. As they were in the common pool they were manned by crews from Gateshead, Tweedmouth, York, St. Margarets etc.

When the USA 2-8-0s became available they were returned in July 1943.

The above information is taken from D L Bradley’s book LSWR Locomotives.

52D · Post by **52D** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:27 pm

Thank you 73D our paths keep crossing can i ask you another SR related LNER question. My grandfather took me to his place of work (52D) to show me two stored SR locos one was a D class what was the other.
I believe the D is now on the Bluebell line.

52A · Post by **52A** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:11 pm

July 1959 the following locos left Tweedmouth...
Adams 4-4-0 563, Stroudley 0-6-0 82 Boxhill en route Eastleigh
Wainwright 4-4-0 31737 en route Asdhford.

I was involved with the final withdrawal of traincrews from, by then, Berwick. Was your grandad still working at that time?

73D · Post by **73D** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:44 pm

It seems 52A has more or less answered the question. The D (may I say perhaps the best looking locomotive when in full SECR livery ever built) was sent to Ashford for cosmetic restoration and left on 27th June 1960 by low loader to Clapham Museum. It is now of course resident in the NRM, York, although it did come back south for a short spell as a static exhibit on the Bluebell.

52D · Post by **52D** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:00 pm

I am unfamilliar with SR locos i understand that the 0-6-0 was a Terrier what class were the two others and are they all still around. If they all survived where are they. Thanks in anticipation.

Wainwright · Post by **Wainwright** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:12 pm

The 'D' is the Wainwright-designed loco; the Adams loco is a T3 - both these locos are now in the NRM, as mentioned/hinted above. For more Southernry, try www.semgonline.com for a reasonable guide to SR locos - go to the 'picture gallery' - doesn't cover all the smaller and obscurer classses.

That exact 'D' is the reason I chose this nom-de-plume - not very relevant on an LNER site, I know ... as it was involved in a runaway-train-style situation on the line I grew up near (the ex-SECR Reading-Redhill line).

I'll stop before this goes completely off-piste.

Wainwright · Post by **Wainwright** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:25 pm

OK, have thought of a way of reinstating LNER relevance to this discussion - name the LNER part-owned railway the Terrier class were originally designed to work?

Solario · Post by **Solario** » Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:56 pm

Could it be the East London Railway?

This was an LNER joint line with the Southern, the Met & the Metropolitan Distict railways.

Caledonian · Post by **Caledonian** » Fri Jan 30, 2009 1:21 pm

Are there any photos of Arthurs working into Edinburgh or beyond?

I believe O.S. Nock mentioned their being cleared as far as Glasgow although they may not actually have gone there.

52D · Post by **52D** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:26 am

Pictures of Arthurs working on the LNER in war time would have been rare. Wernt some Arthurs built by NBL you might have better luck of them being pictured in transit after construction.

Bill Bedford · Post by **Bill Bedford** » Sat Jan 31, 2009 12:42 am

Caledonian wrote:Are there any photos of Arthurs working into Edinburgh or beyond?

There is one in RTCS green books vol 10A

The LNER Encyclopedia

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