East Coast Trains flood response (warning - swearing)

[easternstreak]

They are fools if the think that rudness and arrogance are the way forward ,a fist is not the way to resolve proplems, politness and comman curtisey can open a lot of doors.

I just have to agree, a fist causes problems not solve them.

[WOOTANG]

thats all over facebook
but i love it

[manna]

G'Day Gents

I don't think your the last bastion of decencies, I suspect that more than 90% of people are like you and me, it is always the 10% that make us all look bad.

Isn't spitting at a policeman, an offense, I find that a truncheon across the bridge of the nose, calms people down rapidly

manna

[marksouthcoast]

So true.

[giner]

One of my wife's Rotherham truisms is: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. A good 'un, that.

[StevieG]

At least, AFAIK, there's been no response/explanation for the degree of disruption, which cites 'The wrong type of water'.

[marksouthcoast]

Telling people the truth and asking for understanding seems to beyound a lot of managers grasp coupled with a lack of common sense.

[richard]

People say that, but managers know differently. "Wrong type of snow" was an honest explanation, but it didn't go down too well, did it?

[StevieG]

We seem now to be in a different world from the one in which Gerald Fiennes was moved to demand that the King's Cross announcer inform the alighting passengers that the late arrival of an Up Pullman had been caused by incompetent management.

[Mickey]

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[Blink Bonny]

People say that, but managers know differently. "Wrong type of snow" was an honest explanation, but it didn't go down too well, did it?

Ay up!

The problem wasn't the snow, but rather managers with no common sense. The newer EMU transformers need to be in a "clean" environment so need a supply of filtered air. Rather then order expensive, wasteful (but waterproof) fibreglass ones, they instead ordered cheaper but definitely non-waterproof paper ones. Result? The wind blew snow onto the filters. If the transformer was still warm, then this melted the snow and the saturated filter ran down the inside of the transformer case, leaving the tranny open to the elements to its distinct detriment. Wrong type of snow? Wrong type of filter ordered by the wrong type of manager. And some poor sod who wasn't briefed properly and had no idea as to what was going on.

Both Mrs BB and I have been in this situation. In fact, before doing a presentation for Yorkshire Water I started looking at the Works In Progress database (i draw a discreet veil over how I obtained access to this!) before doing anything. We both found ourselves in front of hostile crowds trying to explain stuff we should have been briefed about but weren't.

[richard]

I was thinking of point motors & blades rather than EMUs. Of course there was a time when a steam lance would have done the trick in no time...

[StevieG]

I certainly remember the 'snow ingress to transformers' facet of the problems. It was poor Terry Worrall who had to give the explanation and was for so long afterwards 'the wrong kind of snow man'; and I think it was Class 317 EMUs on the BedPan line that were (amongst?) the ones that were 'falling (failing) over like flies', rather than the type of snow getting into points switches (blades) causing the unusually bad and headlining problems.

However, that snow in the points did cause a degree of difficulty : We had to resort to slowing ECML 'non-stop's going through Hitchin* by late signal-clearing, in an effort to keep the Down route across to Royston going [I think it was before 'the wires' went beyond Royston, to Cambridge and further], else freshly cleared points would get problematic by the slipstream of un-signal-checked fast trains drawing clouds of the snow back into the points almost immediately.
... *-(and other key locations? I can't remember.)

[Mickey]

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[52A]

So, Notwork Fail have all these people with fancy titles, why can't they run trains when there are simple signal failures and run buses instead? (Signallers stand on ships and wave flags at each other).