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These are two of the steel panelled twins which were made up into a set as BTK+TK; CK: TK+BTK.
Gresley steel stock; some worked on the GC. Steve Banks did an article which covered them in Model Rail some years ago. IIRC the CK was 52'6" in some sets even though they weren't for the GE section.
Just to add a few details to what Silverfox and Jonathan have already written, Diagrams 194/195 were built for the GN and diagram 304 for the GC. D.194/5 were built to work with a 52'6" steel CK whereas D.304 were built to work with D.305 61'6" CKs to work as 5 coach sets.
I think this is early to mid 50's - the loco has had it's long guard irons removed which was done for all the V2s when the pony truck was altered to side control springs starting about 1951. The deep plate stretcher at the front of the pony truck confirms this. The top lamp iron is in a higher position than it was in LNER days to accommodate the smokebox number plate which I think is just visible but covered in grime. The shed plate is visible but sadly not legible. Coaches red and cream then.
2512silverfox wrote:I thought we had established quite early on what they were!
Jonathan quite correctly quotes 52'6" for the GN area CK, but the GC ones had a normal lenth (61'6") CK albeit with mainly 1st compts.
I am not sure how anybody could mistake them for Tourist Stock - which had no artic brakes, a slab ended roof and only a single door to each TO!
Ay up, SF!
I'm not a carriage expert and I was not aware of the Tourist stock only working in 7 sets. Nor indeed that the brakes weren't articulated. Thanks for the education on this. Maybe I should try to get more into coaches?
The loco is more my forte and the questions here have already been answered. There is faint outline of the smokebox plate and the lightening of the grot on the cabside suggests to me a 5 digit number, rather than a 4 or 3 digit. Coupled with the two tone livery on what looks like a teak panelled coach further back, and I concur with early to mid '50s.
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
The negative is in a poor condition being a 'reject' from one of our well known archives. It is from the early 1950's period as pointed out in various posts. The only outstanding point I think is the Signal Box nameboard; in those days at least it was located nearer the southern end of the box which is off the right hand side of the negative.
2512silverfox wrote:I am not sure how anybody could mistake them for Tourist Stock - which had no artic brakes, a slab ended roof and only a single door to each TO!
I must admit that I had quite stupidly ignored the obvious dome-ended roofs, articulation etc when I originally suggested the wartime period . It has to be "blood and custard" livery. I'll slip a text book down the back of my trousers ready for the headmasters cane .
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I think that BB, you have been subjected to the arrogance of many newsgroups/message boards.
I do not understand why having 100% knowledge of any event should assume that the person can be so dismissive of those who wish to learn.
It is a very sad reflection on todays society, that a query on an obvious subject would be ridiculed by those who know more than the questioner, purely because they do.
I don't know much about coaches and wagons, having always regarded them as simply summat for the engine to pull. However, I am now learning about these fascinating subjects.
Pease be gentle with me....
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
. It has to be "blood and custard" livery. I'll slip a text book down the back of my trousers ready for the headmasters cane 
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