Atlantic 3279 wrote:If there is some equivalent of a draughtsman's pantograph that would allow me to trace and scale up by a 7/4 ratio, but in 3D, and in solid substance rather than a mere drawing too!
Now there is a dream tool if ever I heard one! - sadly if one were available it would no doubt be beyond the pockets of us mere mortals.
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I'm sure a 3-D laser scanner and a CAD milling machine would be well within anyone's means. In fact the absence of such "essentials" could be considered as evidence of poverty in this age.
All that's needed now is the expertise to use it all!
Ho hum.
Back to keeping my eye on the developing water feature that used to be the garden.
So we should regard modern modelling as "impossible" without such basic tools in our workshops? Can we make a successful claim for breach of human rights (denial of rights to simple and essential leisure activities) if we are denied free access to said items?
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The absence of such key items could be seen to have a seriously deleterious effect on my traditional lifestyle among the simple modelling folk. Accordingly, there might be a claim under minorities legislation.
Do you think I could claim for a printer that does white as well?
If you intend to do LNER transfers for us all then I'd say your case for a printer was absolutely unassailable.
After messing about with various pieces of wire, a soldering iron, half a dozen hand cut brake cranks that I ought to have included in my casting plans, some more adapted coach buffers and a pair of extra bogies borrowed froma Triang well-wagon, I now have three bogie wagons that just need 48 cantilever supports , six brake pipes, six couplings and however many coats of paint......
I know the brake rigging is far from "complete in every detail" and I haven't added any door stops/springs, but this is as much detail as I intend to apply to wagons that are certainly not entries in a finescale competition!
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52D wrote:were they sold out of service to British Steel?
Some went into colliery service after 1938, but that British Steel wagon has similarities, doesn't it? Well cared for by the look of it - as an RAF practice target for ground attack missiles I presume?
Unless a better idea is put forward, I was simply going to put my GC 6 wheeled brake behind these wagons, working on the asumption that as all the wagons would be fitted then the brake van would merely provide guard's accommodation and possibly keep the couplings tight rather than give significant stopping power .
Having cut all of the cantilever T-sections to length, filing the ends to shape rapidly became boring so I paused after 16 of them, fitted those to one of the wagon bodies, added the vacuum pipes, applied another squirt of grey primer and then took a picture:
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It only gets better. I was going to suggest something along the lines of a Queen Mary brake van but i think your idea of a six wheel GCR brake is better.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
I did consider using my MS & L 25 ton bogie mineral brake with roof look-out, but as it would be 30 years old by 1915, had timber framed bogies and would (I Imagine) be un-fitted I think the logic would be flawed even if the appearnce might be interesting.
I'm thinking of GC grey for two of these wagons and LNER oxide for the third. In the time available, lettering may not get beyond NE on the latter wagon and GC on the first two if I can create some transfers or a stencil in a hurry.
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I think what is perhaps the most surprising thing about your wagons Graeme is that they wouldn't look out of place on the modern railway. If you compare the style to the Network rail ballast wagons the similarities are very clear.
Meant to ask earlier, (and I hope I haven't missed it if anyone else has asked) were these the wagons that were sent with the P2 for testing in France ?
I'm not sure if was these ex GC ones or some of the ex NER bogie wagons.
Following your request for livery advice and a chat we had on the phone about it I looked through Volume 4A of Peter Tatlow's LNER Wagons for possible clues on livery. For LNER period liveries it seems that there is a mix of ideas on where the main body (bauxite/grey) and underframe (black) colour boundary should be. A few examples (all unfitted) are noted below. I've tried to look at mainly steel underframe wagons.
Page 88, Diagram 13, 40 ton bogie coal hopper. Body, solebar and buffers all over grey. Bogie frames and runnning gear below looks to be black. V hanger is black below lower edge of solebar. Hand brake levers and lever guards appear to be black all over. Large 'N E' lettering
Page 93, 2 photos of Met-Cam and BRCW built Diagram 100 21 ton coal hoppers. In both cases the underframe is black all over from the top of the solebars. The 'T' section angle that continues from the wagon body to the bottom edge of the solebar is grey to the top edge of the solebar and black below. One livery is Large 'N E' the other is small lettering.
Page 94, A Head Wrightson version of the Diagram 100 with reversed solebar channel. In this case the 'T' section angle iron is grey right down to the bottom of the solebar. The remaining underframe is black. Large 'N E' lettering.
Page 105 and 106 show Dia 125 20 ton loco coal wagons built by Charles Roberts. Both of these have grey bodies, solebars and buffer housings. Everything below the solebar is black including handbrake lever and lever guard.
Page 108,109 and 110 show a selection of the various 25 ton ironstone hopper designs. All are in small lettering livery and all seem to be painted the same way. The ladder stiles on the 4 corners of the wagon are grey apart from the very small bottom section of the stile right on the corner that drops below the top of the solebar. This small bit is black. By contrast the 4 vertical strengthening straps (2 per side) on the hopper body that have a substantial attachment to the solebar are certainly grey even below the top edge of the solebar on the outer facing surfaces. Closer inspection of the photos seems to show that some are all over grey and the inboard faces of others are black.
I think my conclusion from all of this is that you can make up your own colour demarcation and decide upon which one looks the best. It might even be worth doing one of the rake slightly different to the others to add variety.
, six brake pipes, six couplings and however many coats of paint......
