Bachmann Cattle Wagons?

Frazmataz · Post by **Frazmataz** » Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:47 pm

I know this sounds a bit trivial, but are the Bachmann cattle wagons based on an LNER diagram?

jwealleans · Post by **jwealleans** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:07 am

OTTOMH I thought they were LMS. Can you provide a link to a pic?

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:43 pm

Bass,

The Bachmann cattle wagon may be a Midland Railway type. If you want some 4mm scale LNER cattle trucks, you need to build some kits. The Parkside range includes an LNER Large cattle truck. As I recall, the Dapol/Airfix/Kitmaster kit was based on a GWR design that became a BR standard design and that is the type in the NRM collection.

There was a very regular trade in Irish Store Cattle that came to the LNER over LMS metals from the Holyhead ferry terminal. Presumably these trains would have included LMS stock.

I remember how they were driven through the streets of York from Fosse Islands Goods Yard to the Cattle Market which was where that huge Leisure Centre now stands just outside the Bar Walls. (Is that the Barbican Centre?). Cycling along those streets after the market was a bit dodgy, avoiding the slurry that the cattle had deposited.

Colombo

Colombo

Frazmataz · Post by **Frazmataz** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 4:27 pm

thanks for the insight Colombo. Yes, I picked up two Dundas kits at an exhibition recently with one of their general goods vans. Have yet to build them though

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 5:39 pm

Come to think of it, one of the cattle vans running on my layout was originally a Kitmaster one which I built in about 1960. It has been rewheeled and fitted with three link couplings. I have some 16T minerals of the same vintage, stripped, resprayed and rewheeled as well.

Colombo

Frazmataz · Post by **Frazmataz** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:50 pm

Interesting... you sure that isn't the same mould that Dapol now uses (GWR cattle wagon)?

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:30 am

Bass,

Yes Bass, it is the same mould, rather worn now but still churning them out. There are quite a few other Kitmaster kits for which the, moulds were sold to Airfix and then on to Dapol. Only a few moulds were destroyed by the Kitmaster Receiver, including the Mk1 carriages (which were excellent for their time), the brand new A3 moulds and the Beyer Garratt.

Colombo

Frazmataz · Post by **Frazmataz** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:14 pm

hm, shame that those are gone, they sound quite interesting

x568wcn · Post by **x568wcn** » Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:17 pm

Colombo wrote: I remember how they were driven through the streets of York from Fosse Islands Goods Yard to the Cattle Market which was where that huge Leisure Centre now stands just outside the Bar Walls. (Is that the Barbican Centre?). Cycling along those streets after the market was a bit dodgy, avoiding the slurry that the cattle had deposited.

Yes, the former Council Owned Barbican Centre is on the site, which held the Snooker, but it took too long to sell, so this years Snooker has been moved and may now not come back.
Before the centre was built (I saw peter kay there) there was the iconic Pyramidal Swimming Pool for a long time.

but this is now being (and now may well be) demolished!

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:39 am

I could sit in the upstairs window of our family business at the corner of Hesligton Road and overlook the cattle market. All I could see was the backs of cattle, solid in every direction. Fresh meat on the hoof, much of it all the way from Ireland.

For cattle trains that were not destined for York Market, there were reception sidings by Holgate Bridge junction on the curve near the old roundhouses to the south of York Station. there was a platform and cattle docks. I now know that cattle en-route had to be let out of their cattle trucks and fed and watered before being sent on by rail. They were concerned about their welfare.

Colombo