Returning to Grantham

[strang steel]

The four A4s were 60003/8/10/30.

RO says 60010's first working was on the 0550 ex-Kings Cross on 4th April 1957, but that is all.

60003 went to Doncaster soon after transfer to have its Kylchap exhaust fitted.

Looking through the following month's RO, TI and RM there is no mention of the four on any particular workings.

Sorry.

[strang steel]

However, I did read that 76100 fresh from Donny works did run to Grantham with a test train and stayed overnight on shed before returning north.

There are not many excuses for having a Dawsholm (65D) loco on Grantham shed.

[workev]

However, I did read that 76100 fresh from Donny works did run to Grantham with a test train and stayed overnight on shed before returning north.

There are not many excuses for having a Dawsholm (65D) loco on Grantham shed.

Oh I say, you only need one excuse!

Ian

[workev]

The four A4s were 60003/8/10/30.

RO says 60010's first working was on the 0550 ex-Kings Cross on 4th April 1957, but that is all.

60003 went to Doncaster soon after transfer to have its Kylchap exhaust fitted.

Looking through the following month's RO, TI and RM there is no mention of the four on any particular workings.

Sorry.

I can only assume that they were placed on A1 duties as direct replacements, would have to look to see if the ex 05:50 from KX was an A1 from Grantham.

Ian

[strang steel]

I was not sure how to take that report. The way I read it was that the A4 was used on the 0550 from Kings Cross in order to get it to Grantham, but I could be wrong.

I dont have the relevant timetable for 1957, but I know that many years later that train (or a similar departure time) was a most-stations stopper and took around 3 hours to reach Grantham, where the train terminated.

Unfortunately, trying to track down the services that did change engines at Grantham in various years seems to be a rather difficult job.

[ROY@34F]

I'm sure I can remember 60008 and 60030 being at Grantham when I started as a cleaner in Aug.'57.,not sure of'03 or '10,but they could well have been,and how long they were shedded at Grantham, I don't know.According to John,not very long.
I would just add that I don't think certain trains were allocated a certain class of engine;A1,A3,A4,and to a certain extent,A2 and V2,and even B1 engines were all capable of express work of course.Some sheds/drivers preferred certain ones,and different ones were tried on different turns from time to time.Top shed had A1's for a time,but preferred A4's for various reasons I believe. If you would like to see a certain type of engine on shed,you can think of some excuse for how it got there,as has been stated.
Regards,Roy.

[strang steel]

Hi Roy.

The A4s were not there for long as they returned to 34A in September, so only through the summer timetable really.

[workev]

I was not sure how to take that report. The way I read it was that the A4 was used on the 0550 from Kings Cross in order to get it to Grantham, but I could be wrong.

I dont have the relevant timetable for 1957, but I know that many years later that train (or a similar departure time) was a most-stations stopper and took around 3 hours to reach Grantham, where the train terminated.

Unfortunately, trying to track down the services that did change engines at Grantham in various years seems to be a rather difficult job.

The issue of engine changes, rosters , etc. is causing me problems at the moment. I have the WTTs for 56/57 and am making some progress. when I think I have got some ideas I will put up a post for interrogation on here!

A3s/V2s seemed to fill in when others were allocated. Summer 1957 was the last timetable when 35B was fully involved in engine changes; after that the shed was made 34F and its importance diminished. However, and contrary to some posts here engine changes were still a regular occurance until the Deltics were fully delivered in 1962/3; even then changes still happened.

Ian

[workev]

I am about to start a Blog describing my trials and tribulations on modelling Grantham in 1956/57. I hope to bring regular posts to this Topic; and still have many, many questions.....

Wish me luck.

Ian

[strang steel]

I have just done a bit of lateral thinking (now need to lie down) and looked up the A1s in RCTS part 2A.

It says that from 1951 Grantham's allocation worked the 1000 and 1500 ex-KX trains as far as Newcastle, seven turns to London and one to York. One of the London workings was the 1352 from Grantham, ex-Leeds and return on the 1900 Aberdonian which was replaced by another A1 as far as York, then returned on a parcels train.

Three A1s made two round trips to London per day and this pattern of working seems to have continued until 34A started through working to Newcastle in 1957.

[workev]

I have just done a bit of lateral thinking (now need to lie down) and looked up the A1s in RCTS part 2A.

It says that from 1951 Grantham's allocation worked the 1000 and 1500 ex-KX trains as far as Newcastle, seven turns to London and one to York. One of the London workings was the 1352 from Grantham, ex-Leeds and return on the 1900 Aberdonian which was replaced by another A1 as far as York, then returned on a parcels train.

Three A1s made two round trips to London per day and this pattern of working seems to have continued until 34A started through working to Newcastle in 1957.

I think I have the A1 turns from Grantham sorted, but any info is always welcome. I am not sure about the Flying Scotsman working as far as Newcastle, as at some point the train stopped at Grantham and there was an engine change. I assuem that was before the programme of fitting Kylchap's to the A3's and A4's, but more research needed there.

I do know that the links and engines were not necessarily in sync.

Ian

[strang steel]

Does anyone know anything about the 1230 class H goods from Colwick to Highdyke?

There is a note in the 1961 WTT which says the train stops at Barrowby Wharf for 30 minutes and the loco proceeds to Grantham shed to turn.

But why would it need to turn if the train was continuing to Highdyke?

The only reason that I can think of is that it runs tender first to Highdyke and is then booked for another service which doesn't stop at Grantham.

I dont know if anyone has any recollections of this train.

[jwealleans]

Wasn't the High Dyke branch quite steeply graded and so engines always had to work with the chimney in one direction?

[60129 GUY MANNERING]

Surely the train would have gone into the reception sidings, rather than going onto the branch.
I think "Strang Steel" has got the right answer, but thats just a gut reaction.

[strang steel]

Well actually, I never thought of the train going straight up the branch although as Guy M says, that does seem very unlikely as it is unlikely to be just iron ore empties because there would be no need to stop at Barrowby sidings unless iron ore was being taken up the Grantham canal. I cant see any reason for that.