Heljan 8701 Railbus

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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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Blink Bonny wrote:Ay up, Micky!

The Airfix railbus is of the Park Royal variety and the motorising kit in its own, with motor wheels and gears, is around £90 including postage.

Hey, this Helijan one moves! Under its own power! Wonder what it'll make of Peco points?

Report tomorrer!
I'm sure from my modelling days that there used to be some kind of loco or motorised bogie you could "bodge" to power the Airfix railbus for a few quid?

Incidentally you can get one for free in the Trainz rail simulator - here's one leaving Malton in my self built Malton & Driffield route http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/4612461998/
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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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Ay up, Pinza!

There is no suitable motor bogie that's bodgeable, sadly. I've looked into that, and converting the Fleischmann VB railbus into this one which was also a no-go. Hornby 142? Wrong wheelbase. Scratchbuilding is possible but I wouldn't fancy scratchbuilding what is basically a very long 0-4-0.

However, I am glad to say that the Heljan one performs admirably. Its top speed is realistically low and it bounces and lurches over joints and pointwork most realistically.

The only fly in the ointment is the "Royal Train" headcode. I'll have a fiddle, see what I can do.
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G'Day Gents

Cor! can you imagine a little railbus with a 5 pole Bulldog motor, you'd be able to pull 30 wagons !!! :shock:

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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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blackout60800 wrote:
Blink Bonny wrote:141
I just googled it.... dear god

It makes a victorian wagon look comfortable :shock:
If you think the 141s were bad, have a look at the original prototype

http://www.traintesting.com/images/LEV1.jpg

Imagine if that had gone into volume production.
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manna wrote:G'Day Gents

Cor! can you imagine a little railbus with a 5 pole Bulldog motor, you'd be able to pull 30 wagons !!! :shock:

manna
Had 20 wagons on the draw bar - no problems - and looks "fun" hauling four of the new Hornby non-corridor carriages!

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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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I had a ride on the 140 prototype in November 1981 from Sunderland to Seaburn (seen here) http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/3553321401/ and it was quite an experience. It was as if they had commissioned the biggest chump in every field of railway design , got them all drunk and told them to design in the pub. The doors were like a mediaeval torture device.
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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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Bryan wrote:Is this what you are looking for?
Levisham on the NYMR about 1969
AC Railcar W79978
Since departed to the Kent and East Sussex about 1990.

There may be a DVD coming out soon featuring this vehicle.
heres my Anbrico kit from the late 60's early 70's powered by a K's motor ( :? it works !)
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also the original Airfix Park Royal again from the 1960's, running with a lima 'pancake' motor.

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What's the difference between the railbus and AC railbus?
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Its basically the manufacturers. They were given a specification but design was left to them.

Several companies constructed them,

Bristol produced 79958 and 79959

http://www.railcar.co.uk/jpg/bcv/bh79958.png

Waggon and Maschinenbau 79960 to 79964

Sorry I was going to post links to some more designs, but I cant get the Photobucket ones to come up - senior moment possibly.

D Wickham 79965 to 79969

Park Royal 79970 to 79974

AC Cars 79975 to 79979

I have omitted the regional prefix as the units did tend to move around the British Isles.
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Here's the British Commercial Vehicles railbus http://www.flickr.com/photos/pinzac55/4595911958/
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Thanks very much :)
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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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What is so unbelievable about the 4-wheel railbus story, is that the original ones were phased out in the 1960s due to poor ride quality and customer complaints, and yet despite that 20 years later the bus body on a lwb wagon chassis was wheeled out again.

Now we still have 142s and 143s bouncing around the countryside and squealing around curves. It is almost as if BR found it impossible to learn from their mistakes.
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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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strang steel wrote:Waggon and Maschinenbau 79960 to 79964
Here's 79960 in action on the North Norfolk Railway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmtwmSXpvDo
Were they built to a standard desigh? I was expecting a green DB railbus, but this seems taller.

I rode the KWVR railbus last summer - it was the first train from Oxenhope and something very special.

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Re: Heljan 8701 Railbus

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Just appeared today on Youtube
Original fim from 1969 of that photo I posted earlier.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z76314nt ... e=youtu.be
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