Grayrigg

[Blink Bonny]

Ay up!

HATFIELD, that was the one!

Problem is, as with all companies in this country the people who make the decisions are "pure" managers. They cannot tell a Black 5 from a railspike! The poor sods at the coalface, so to speak, are the ones who get in the neck following major accidents, like Potter's Bar, Hatfield or Grayrigg. But the people at the top who shoule be ultimately responsible for it walk away, scot-free. I have worked in companies (no manes, no pack drill) where requests for H&S equipment have been turned down on cost grounds by people who have no idea of what actually happens. For example, no chemical gas masks while mixing cyanoacrylate glue. The Cyano bit should tell you the problem there. Until a young kid on a cold day was overcome by Cyanide gas after he'd got something wrong. Cost the company £10,000 in fines plus compo to the kid which a couple of quid spent on a mask would have avoided.

Who got it in the neck? The kid's line manager who was told there should have been masks and you should have complained more. They conveniently forgot the fact the the LM had been threatened with a disciplinary for trying to insist.....

When we have managers who can manage a process they understand and know, they'll be able to do their job which is to make sure the lads on the ground can do their job in safety.

Rant over!

[Mickey]

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[third-rail]

Was the pendolino set involved repaired and returned to traffic?

yes i believe it was repaired as a short set but is in non revenue service acting as static training vehicals as it is not fit passenger use

[Mickey]

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[60800]

The pendolino carriages are some of the sturdiest and most impact absorbent in the world. They're considerably better than the German ICE coke cans which had the structural attributes of a wet cardboard box

EDIT: as far as I'm aware the East coast HST's are equipped with MK2's (I was certainly in a MK2 last week)

[Mickey]

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[60800]

I lose interest after the HST

[Mickey]

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[cambois]

Blackout

The Pendolino was not repaired and one of the 4 new ones is a replacement unit (but that gets forgotten in the "new trains more seats" spin. I think some of the least damaged vehicles are used in some sort of training place.

Perhaps worth remembering that these trains were amazing in the derailment and that their modern design prevented a lot more fatalities

[52A]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-17223196

Just gets better don't it!?

[StevieG]

" .... EDIT: as far as I'm aware the East coast HST's are equipped with MK2's (I was certainly in a MK2 last week) "

Might you have your coaching stock Mark Nos. confused there?
The Mk.IIs were the first more modern loco-hauled fleet, being built from around 1966-74, and many ended up forming the main ECML loco-hauled fleet. I would think relatively few remain in regular service on the national network now.
The largest group of the even more modern BR hauled coaches were the Mk. 3s, being built from about 1975 ; For quite a while, for example, a lot of these were the main fleet forming WCML services into the Virgin era (and I understand occasionally, even now one, or possibly two, sets, Class 90 push-pulled, still stand in for Pendolino shortages). It was also a fleet of Mk. 3 Sleeping Cars which replaced the Mk.I Sleepers.

More Mk. 3s were built from 1976-1982 specifically for the formation of the new HST sets, and as far as I am aware, Mk. 3s have always been the only vehicles in service HSTs.
The final BR Mark was the Mk 4s of course, still plying Up and Down the ECML today, push-pulled by the Class 91 locos.

IMHO, the Pendolino vehicles merit being regarded as Mark vSbC (very Safe but Claustrophobic).

[60800]

My bad A google search of the relevant coaches has proven my stupidity. I completely forgot about the MK4's and had it in my head that the MK3's had the 'angled' ends, and thus I thought the HST's had MK2's