What is it 2

Post by **richard** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:05 pm

Wahey! You got it Simon!

Perhaps too difficult. I was trying to keep away from the 'obvious' named classes like the Pacifics, Scotts, B17s, etc.

Richard

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:10 pm

Yay woohoo!!!!!!

it was that you mentioned railcars in your last clue and a quick look on the LNER pages and the HUGE pic of chevy chase gave it all away.

ok i shall muse on my clue then get back to you.

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:00 pm

ok then here goes, if this clue has been posted before then i apologise and i'll get you a new one. Goodluck.

- It's right infront of you.
- An individual but not unique
- The numbers 5 and 8 will give you the answer.

Simon.

John B · Post by **John B** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:29 pm

Simon,

Give us a clue!?!?

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 5:02 pm

Even though i remember the answer, its been so long since i posted, some parts of that question make no sense to me.

ok a clue..... mmm.

It is a one off locomotive, but the wheel arrangement was also used on an LNER standard design.

It is also pre 1923 origin.

crack on chaps
Simon

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:49 pm

Simon,

There were very few unique locomotives taken over in 1923 by the LNER listed in Casserley and Johnston's Locomotives at the Grouping - LNER

One is the Smiths Class 3CC three cylinder compound that was built by the NER and became the only member of class D19. The layout of the cylinders and valve gear was actually taken up by the Midland Railway and later the LMS for their Class 4P compound locomotives of which the NER have a preserved example, no.1000. Thus it was an individual, but the appliocation of the design was not unique.

The locomotive was numbered 1619. take 1 fro 6 and 1 from 9 and you have the numbers 5 and 8.

The wheel arrangement, 4-4-0 is the same of the LNER D49.

I have no idea why it is right in front of you however, so perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree again.

Colombo

John B · Post by **John B** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 2:26 pm

Simon,

This is a long shot I know but here is my take on your clues:

Worsdell B13.

An individual but not unique, no. 61699 was the only one left in 1950 of a once forty strong class.

The Number 5 & 8 will give you the answer, 5 + 8 = 13, B13

Pre 1923 design, built in 1899

Wheel arrangement used on an LNER standard design, 4-6-0 (B1??)

The clue I too have the most difficulty with is "It's right in front of you"

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:10 am

Sorry but you are both wrong. The hardest clue is about the 5 and 8 as i can't remember the significance. So i would ignore it.

The loco in question was unique in 1923 and immeadiatly moved from its former home. It was also scrapped by ww2. As for the answer is in front of you. Look around my original question post as in to one side or the other for a big push in the right direction. The LNER standard it shares its wheel layout with was a gresley design from an ivatt original, but has nothing else to do with the loco we are looking for here. I think that there is also another LNER standard with these wheels that Gresley built many of but made no changes from the pre '23 design. These are only going to help you in the right direction and do not give the game away just yet.

I'll give you a few more goes before i give up my giveaway clue.

Simon

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:35 pm

Simon,

Are we looking for Colne Valley and Halstead Railway Class N18 0-6-2T no.5, built in 1908 and withdrawn in 1928.

The Gresley ex GNR N2 class were built by the LNER after 1923. Their predecessor was Ivatt's class N1.

Colombo

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:57 pm

Colombo

Excellent work. Also the N7 became the suburban loco out of liverpool street. I'm very impressed i didn't realise you were up with your minority pre-group companies in the east.

It is over to you.

Oh the giveaway clue was its name. Which is for a bonus point?

Simon

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 9:37 am

Simon,

I am not up in matters pertaining to the Eastern Region, but there is always an opportunity to learn a bit more.

I don't think that no.5 had a name.

Please give me a few days to think of a new clue.

Colombo

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:53 pm

Right then, I have to give you a new clue.

1. Originally one non-conforming brother's compound, simplified by the other.
2. Withdrawn twice.
3. Gone where a Spitfire squadron now patrols.

I am looking for an engine number.

Colombo

CVR1865 · Post by **CVR1865** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:21 pm

was it 957?

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:00 am

Simon,

Would that be the X2?

If so, no I am afraid not.

Colombo

John B · Post by **John B** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 12:00 pm

Colombo,

I think I have it.

Compound and simple expansion versions were made of the locomotive class J21, LNER number 876 was designed by T.W. Worsdell.

Thomas William Worsdell was born into a Quaker family, he had a younger brother called Wilson Worsdell who was assistant mechanical engineer to his older brother when the former was appointed as Locomotive Superintendant to the NER in 1885 after having served earlier in the GER.

Currently, LNER number 876 - BR 65033, is located at the North Norfolk Railway, also home to Battle of Britain "Squadron 92 - Biggin Hill" Squadron 92 being the RAF's East India Squadron who flew Spits in WW2

65033 was withdrawn initially on 22nd November 1939 but was returned to service because of wartime shortages and survived until final withdrawal in April 1962, it was and is the last survivng J21.