http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-15593840
Notwork Fail fail again!
Grayrigg
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Re: Grayrigg
Well they are world class aren't they? At bungling.
Re: Grayrigg
Reading in a magazine recently that graduates have voted Notwork Fail as one of the best companies to work for. Proves two things, our education system is woefully inadequate and graduates are clueless about the real workaday world!
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Ay up!
All this makes me realise that The Men From The Ministry and Yes, Minister are used as training videos by British Industry.
Could the last man to leave turn out the lights, please?
All this makes me realise that The Men From The Ministry and Yes, Minister are used as training videos by British Industry.
Could the last man to leave turn out the lights, please?
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-17210768
So when are the plods going to arrest the managers concerned, or is that a little to difficult for them? They were quick enough to arrest non management staff.
So when are the plods going to arrest the managers concerned, or is that a little to difficult for them? They were quick enough to arrest non management staff.
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Re: Grayrigg
Was the pendolino set involved repaired and returned to traffic?
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Re: Grayrigg
Well said 52A, every thing you highlight about this is 100% spot on.I've seen and heard all the spin, read the article you mention - nothing more to say really!
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Ay up!
Its a sad fact that the a##holes who make the decisions that screw up the country take the huge rewards that they give themselves then shift the blame onto someone else when it all goes belly up.
Johnson Cox - ran several companies, including Yorkshire Water, a total monopoly(!) into the ground before deciding that broken rails were not a priority. If an AMATEUR like me can detect a broken rail in a train going over it a week before another train was derailed (somewhere near Potter's Bar?) then a pro should have no problems, and fix it unless told not to.
Its a sad fact that the a##holes who make the decisions that screw up the country take the huge rewards that they give themselves then shift the blame onto someone else when it all goes belly up.
Johnson Cox - ran several companies, including Yorkshire Water, a total monopoly(!) into the ground before deciding that broken rails were not a priority. If an AMATEUR like me can detect a broken rail in a train going over it a week before another train was derailed (somewhere near Potter's Bar?) then a pro should have no problems, and fix it unless told not to.
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
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Re: Grayrigg
This accident happened after the work was brought in house.
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Ay up!
Same managers, same incompetence.
Same managers, same incompetence.
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Re: Grayrigg
..... How to win and keep friends' respect and credibility for the LNER Forums, and true professional contributors to it ! ? 
Whilst being in no position to comment on this incident, or individual's/collective capabilities and competencies, I would just like to remind that these days often those very 'close to the ground' or 'at the coal-face' are blessed(?) with the title of Manager, and also suggest that other factors can contribute to occurrences such as Grayrigg/Lambrigg, whether made known, post-disaster, or not.
It is far from unknown that many large organisations' 'local' managers and staff of more than adequate ability and professionalism, can become overloaded with being required to carry out, and be responsible for, too many, or too high a volume of existing, activities in their particular geographical area, often brought about by iniatives of more than one higher department.
And while said organisations may state and promote to their personnel, a company belief in correct and healthy work/outside life balances, the reality can be that some individuals are allowed to become hopelessly overloaded with duties, and their positons do not get alleviated in a reasonable time, either through their own belief that it truly is 'their job' and they do not want to be judged as failing, or over-estimating their own ability to 'fit it all in', or that appeals 'back up the chain' that their position has become untenable and needs assistance either fall on deaf ears or are accepted but months/years pass before anything really helpful comes about (by which time it's probably launched as someone else's great idea for improvement).
Whilst being in no position to comment on this incident, or individual's/collective capabilities and competencies, I would just like to remind that these days often those very 'close to the ground' or 'at the coal-face' are blessed(?) with the title of Manager, and also suggest that other factors can contribute to occurrences such as Grayrigg/Lambrigg, whether made known, post-disaster, or not.
It is far from unknown that many large organisations' 'local' managers and staff of more than adequate ability and professionalism, can become overloaded with being required to carry out, and be responsible for, too many, or too high a volume of existing, activities in their particular geographical area, often brought about by iniatives of more than one higher department.
And while said organisations may state and promote to their personnel, a company belief in correct and healthy work/outside life balances, the reality can be that some individuals are allowed to become hopelessly overloaded with duties, and their positons do not get alleviated in a reasonable time, either through their own belief that it truly is 'their job' and they do not want to be judged as failing, or over-estimating their own ability to 'fit it all in', or that appeals 'back up the chain' that their position has become untenable and needs assistance either fall on deaf ears or are accepted but months/years pass before anything really helpful comes about (by which time it's probably launched as someone else's great idea for improvement).
BZOH
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