All thumbs wrote:On a more pratical note, were these semi-permanently coupled up in sets of 4 or am I getting confused with Quad-art sets? If so, what were typical set make-ups e.g. TB-T-T-F or C-T-T-TB (and did 8 coaches make a typical suburban working)? And if these were to sell well, what chances of Hornby extending the range to include lavatory corridors and a shorty brake?
So many questions!
You are thinking of the quad sets. However the 51'er's did get made up into twins. The most common would appear to be the third/third veriety but others including a third/third break and composit/third did exist. However all is not as simple as it seems as the underframe details were quite different. The main areas being the truss rods and battery boxes being in different locations (longer truss rods?) due to the bogie centres being moved for the articulation. I'm sure someone would be crazy enough to try to convert some (cough, cough, Atlantic 3279! cough, cough) at some point in the future though!
Very interesting to see these images, and alleged release dates, including ......... a Hunt with Walschaerts valve gear again . Please let it not have traction tyres.
Incidentally, can you imagine how apoplectic a certain emphatic Mr Y**k would be getting if people were uploading potentially copyright (???) images to Stalag RMW
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I think the Gresley Full brake looks quite good. There is the tumblehome and the beading seems a little lower on this than the current 61' coaches. I had just finished a Kirk Plastic kit of the Full Brake and what happens Hornby announce one. Always happens.
The photos of the other items seems that these are not too far away. It is disconcerting though that the B1, only announced at the end of last year, could be out before the B17. Then there are the suburban coaches, if these caom out in these last few months, then the credit card will take a battering and I like to space things out a little.
Other that gripe, I think it is great we are seeing some LNER/ER stuff coming through. Now what about some smaller locos other than a Railroad D49, which I have on order too. Such as D10 & D11 Directors, which I have read somewhere that it has been measured by RTR manufacturer, a J 0-6-0 tender engine of any sort, preference is J21-27 and a G5 0-4-4T.
Thats my wish list then.
Before we see any tender locos in the J-class, I would be happiest seeing the J50 tank engine - pretty much a staple of the Eastern Region, up and down the country - available. How this engine, comparable in many ways to the Jinty, gets overlooked time and again when most modellers need one or two (I need five for a vaguely accurate depiction of Copley Hill!) flummoxes me.
Nobody would suggest that 00 modelling doesn't need the Jinty, so why is it that the humble Gresley shunting tank gets overlooked time and again? As much as I love the Hornby L1 - a well done Gresley J50 would have been a multiple purchase for all of us.
As for the Gresley brake - it only seems to be coming out in maroon or teak? I may have to get the paints out to put one in carmine and cream, then...!
As for the Gresley brake - it only seems to be coming out in maroon or teak? I may have to get the paints out to put one in carmine and cream, then...![/quote]
Carmine and cream is not that appropriate for the Gresley BG. 99.99% carried carmine only.
IAK wrote:Am I corect in trhat the tumblehome is better but the beading matches the other Hornby Gresleys? That is the middle one is off?
Yes the tumblehome is better which can just about be seen in the photo. Regarding the beading, have a close look at the photo and tell me what you think?
Well it looks as was on the auld ones - too low?
To correct the beading would leave these out of sync with the auld ones - that is unless Hornby plan, deep breath, to correct the auld ones...
Then again looks can be deceiving, to really get the "picture" one would need a correct one next to it...
Anyhow, its grand that some proper full brakes are appearing!
It still dosn't look quite right to me, the beading dosn't seem to quite follow the shape of the tumbelhome but this was shallower on the full brakes. It dose seem to be narrow then the passenger stock with it's overhanging roof as in the prototype, shame they didn't go for 8 foot fox bogies and turnbuckle underframes as this type outnumbered all the others.
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IAK wrote:Well it looks as was on the auld ones - too low?
The original Hornby stock had the centre horizontal beading too high. To my eyes the beading on the photo of the BG looks right and certainly different to the original Hornby BCK I have on my desk right now.
Looks like at least a partial correction of the beading height to me, which might make a lot of sense, moving this vehicle well towards the correct arrangement, and possibly enough to make it compatible with "precise" coaching stock whilst not clashing wildly with the Gresley stock already bought by existing Hornby customers. Perhaps this is a more "loyal customer-friendly" attitude than their rival's blatant "no, you can't buy just an upgraded chassis for your loco" dictum
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Hornby are listed as being at the The National Festival of Railway Modelling this coming weekend. Don't know if they will have these samples with them, but if anyone is going and can get some more photos I am sure the rest of us would appreciate them.
IAK wrote:Well it looks as was on the auld ones - too low?
The original Hornby stock had the centre horizontal beading too high. To my eyes the beading on the photo of the BG looks right and certainly different to the original Hornby BCK I have on my desk right now.
gAH!! I knew I'd get that wrong...
My memory does get puddley!
If they have produced a more correct beading then I know of a certain "Beastie" of a BR Blue ilk that may use some of them - with some noodling of course...
I can then keep all my MJT's to myself - mwaaaahahaaaahahhh
Report: I had a very deliberate look at the five new Hornby coaches at Peterboro' today, and then made sure I had a look at a pack of the existing Gresleys too. In my opinion that contentious middle beading line IS in a (more) correct lower position on all five new models.
I don't feel sufficiently sure to comment on tumblehome / turnunder profiles. I believe JW may have taken photos so you can all get a better look in due course.....
Also, the pre-production D49 with loco drive was free of traction tyres on the coupled wheels. Oh joy!
The Hornby B1 also looked very much nicer than the current or ( as I shall reveal in minute) the improved Bachmann model. Crisp body moulding with convincingly thin edges and shallow relief of features that should be shallow. The gubbins around / behind the cylinders even includes some beautifully fine-looking operating linkages for the drain cocks threaded through the valve gear.
The B17 also looked superb and so complete that it is annoying to be deprived any knowledge of when we might actually be able to buy one.
Over on the Bachmann stand (manned by an individual who seemed to me to have remarkably little interest in the product or the potential customer's questions and enthusiasm) was the B1 with upgraded chassis, the old body looking thick, heavy, rounded and almost hand-painted alongside the Hornby item. The new chassis was a let-down in some ways for me too. Either underscale bogie wheels or very large frame cut-outs over them, and on repeat inspection I fear I had to snigger slightly at the valve gear, as on the displayed left side the expansion link was fitted back-to-front.
The A4 with upgraded chassis also looked poor against the Hornby product. The new chassis does nothing to improve my opinion of the less detailed and less accurate Bachmann body. The long needed fixed frames at the rear for the Cartazzi unit failed to impress or convince me. I think the main trouble appears to be that they have been set so much wider apart than scale (to suit track curves) that they more or less line up with the edges of the lower firebox, giving the whole area a wrongly slab-sided appearance.
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. Please let it not have traction tyres.
