J21 65033

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Re: J21 65033

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Simierski wrote:The eventual plan is for no.1 to finally be a completely authentic locomotive. Now the question is - what to do with the tender that is left?
another question , where and what did the rusty tender come from/off ?
no mention on NRM's site.

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G'Day Gents

I suppose they could build a Sturrock loco to go with it, a nice little 2-2-2 or 2-4-0 would do :twisted:

Nice to here that they've found some real GN paint, I'm not surprised that the old weather worn GN tender is in rough condition, got to getting on for 120 years old,.................I wonder what was the last loco it was paired to :?:

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PS. I've managed to find out the answer to my own question, last used on a Q1 0-8-0, withdrawn in the early 30's
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Mr B.

I was hoping that a blog post by Mr Coulls would shed some light on your query, but having just re-read it - I don't think it does....

but here's the link, anyway

http://nationalrailwaymuseum.wordpress. ... o-tenders/

couple of nice images of No 1....
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littlehouseinthepadi wrote:I'm one of the volunteers with the Stainmore Railway Company and the web master for the 'Stainmore 150' web site.

I have not got a firm date to publish yet for the move of the locomotives from Shildon yet but before we book the low loader we need to have got the new Darlington platform extension complete and some track panels into the newly excavated former 'Tebay' platform. The work is going well and I would guess maybe 4-6 weeks before the locomotives are moved to Kirkby Stephen. But that is a guess at the moment. No.910 is likely to be the first as it will be on a five year rolling loan to Kirkby Stephen East and be housed as one of our static exhibits.

Motive power for the '150' Weekend from 27-30 August will include 78019 which was initially allocated to Kirkby Stephen shed from new.

The celebration website at http://www.stainmore150.co.uk is updated regularly with programme information and additional historical material. I am also putting up a daily 'blog' with information about preparations and as soon as we have a date for the locomotives arriving I will add it there. You can find it at http://stainmore150.blogspot.com

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Some news on the Beamish blog about the J21, plus a photo!

http://beamishtransport.blogspot.com/20 ... Beamish%29
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There's an update regarding 65033 on the Stainmore Railway Company website;

http://www.kirkbystepheneast.co.uk/32.html
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Considerable progress has been made over the last week. The boiler / firebox cladding, cab, sandboxes, spectacle plates etc have been refitted, a substantial quantity of filler has been used, particularly on the tender, and much of the loco is now ready for some paint. A couple of photos have been added to the second album at the bottom of this page.
It'll be interesting to see in what livery they paint it in
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Photos of it in a much higher state of completion and painted black now online;

http://www.kirkbystepheneast.co.uk/32.html
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Beamish's Y7 in steam 14.08.11
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just found these on the memory card from a few weeks ago, ignore the vignetting.
600_001.jpg
600_002.jpg


is the loco still at Shildon?

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She was at Kirkby Stephen East, the Stainmore 150 Gala, granted as a static display over the bank holiday weekend.

Will be great to see her in steam again, and I really hope to see her on my railway the Wensleydale Railway, especially as her class were stalwarts of the branch :)
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See Snowplough 18 thread for a photo
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Nearly five years to the day after taking the photograph of 65033 at Weybourne, I saw her today, complete, outside NRM Shildon. Unfortunately I couldn't get close as she was on a siding attached to a diesel alongside the museum building (so if you were on a train arriving from Darlington you would get a good view of 6it) , so could only get a clear shot from the building interior tender-first which i'll try and upload before too long
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there is a great deal of mis information here in relation to No 1 and the tenders, including the later one.

it is true that the tender is a stirling 3850 tender built specifically for stirling singles, BUT ONLY the last few, specifically 1003-1008, and as such was never used on the early singles. it is similar to the 3500 gallon tenders but with a taller body and different coal rails. it was introduced around 1894, just before stirling retired, and very few were actually built. this specific tender actually ended its revenue life behind a J3 which was scrapped in 1954, not an 0-8-0!!!!!!!!!!

as for the other tender, that is somewhat more complex, some think the running frame is a sturrock, but since it was drawn in the space where both stirling and sturrock were working at doncaster, it is more complex, the body is a little later. the tender came of a rebuilt hawthorn 0-4-2 which was moved to doncaster works stock in 1899, and was the only inside spring tender around at the time it was needed.
however, the only relevant drawing for the original tender on No 1 shows a well tanked item with a different underframe shape, but it is not in the official tender list. the later singles used 2470 gall tenders which we do have drawings off.

so hopefully this will set the record straighter. the tender being restored was indeed designed to go behind 8ft singles, but not No1, however it is more correct than a goods tender.

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Re: J21 65033

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G'Day Gents

Thank you John, but my information, that I bought forward about the GN tender was from the 'Railway Magazine' July 2010, it states that the tender No 1002, (built 1893) and was last paired to Q2, No.3452, from April 1929 until Febuary 1934, when the loco was withdrawn, the tender was used as a water carrier, No.T.W.C. 2, it became 942080 in September 1941, being withdrawn by BR at Connington (year not stated) but sat there until 1967.

The Railway Magazine, may be incorrect with there information but.......

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john coffin wrote:it was introduced around 1894, just before stirling retired, and very few were actually built. this specific tender actually ended its revenue life behind a J3
Like this one on the LNER encyclopedia entry for the class?

Click here for a photograph of a J3 with a similar tender?

Fascinating. :)
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