Where is this please?

[strang steel]

And Isaac Newton wasn't born in Grantham either, he was born in Woolsthorpe.

[61070]

60129 I beg to differ Sir, Guy Mannering was an astrologer born in Galloway.

Ah, but that was that Guy Mannering!

o true, Grantham certainly could not be said to have been home to Sir Walter Scott’s invented astrologer character of the mid-18th century;

o then there was Guy Mannering (1911-1950), born in Glasgow as little 360, known successively over the years as 9360, 2413 and 62413, wandered around Scotland and the Borders but not thought ever to have visited Grantham;

o we get a little warmer with 60129 Guy Mannering, born Doncaster 1949 and peripatetic resident of North East England, but regular frequenter of Grantham. Cut down in his prime in 1965 at the age of 16 – brutally murdered by gas axe in Norwich;

o but then, I do happen to know that our good friend 60129 GUY MANNERING of this forum is indeed a native and resident of Grantham!!

[52D]

Funny i am working on a post which i hope to share on here as well as the facebook site with a document that 52A sent me. I hope to list all the names and origins of the names of LNER built and constituent built named locos.
There were a few A1s that took on ex NBR names then after that BR even named some electrics after them.

[StevieG]

Hi everyone.
Sorry no input from me on this one until now, but I've been awa' for a week or two.

In case there are still any doubters, and to hopefully avoid any more 'Morningtown Ride'-style posts in this thread, the OP's photo location is undoubtedly, 100% without a shadow (whichever way it points) of a doubt, looking south from the south end of Hornsey station, with the train on the Down Fast.
The numbers of all the signalling visible could be supplied if required.

But what a great photo!

[Mickey]

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[60129 GUY MANNERING]

Gents,
my comment was a little bit Tongue in Cheek. The 60129 Guy Mannering, to whom I was refering was me Born Grantham 1946, and indeed Sir Issac Newton was born at Woolsthorpe by Colsterworth,but educated at The Kings Grammer School in Grantham.
Kind Regards,Derek.

[Mickey]

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[strang steel]

Gents,
my comment was a little bit Tongue in Cheek. The 60129 Guy Mannering, to whom I was refering was me Born Grantham 1946, and indeed Sir Issac Newton was born at Woolsthorpe by Colsterworth,but educated at The Kings Grammer School in Grantham.
Kind Regards,Derek.

The only reason I mentioned Woolsthorpe was because some of my distant ancestors were born there and I like to make sure that Grantham doesn't hoover up all the kudos.

[Mickey]

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[jwealleans]

Hey Micky,

If you can get hold of it there's a very good article in Railway Magazine from (I think) 2009 about the accident. That was the conclusion they reached. The fireman was quite green (may have been a works apprentice) and didn't notice when he tested the vacuum when they were attaching at Peterborough that it came up far too quickly. The guard didn't notice he had nothing showing in the van and so off they went to oblivion.

Contemporary reports of driver and fireman 'struggling' on the footplate were hypothesised to be the pair of them screwing down the tender handbrake as far as it would go.

There are no pictures of the tender brake pipe in the official records of the accident, but very shortly afterwards the GN issued an instruction to the effect that when attaching/detaching from a fitted train the strings had to be pulled on every vehicle before the brakes were tested. That suggests that they had worked out very quickly what the problem had been.

[rob237]

To reinforce that theory...
IIRC, the Ivatt went on to the train at a Peterborough loco change - with a Donny crew...
Therefore, a major brake application would not have been required until the first subsequent stop...at Grantham.
Wonder why this brake 'disconnection' aspect wasn't revealed during the accident aftermath?
Cheers
Robt P.

[Mickey]

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[52A]

This does not add up to me. If the pipes had not been connected at Peterborough how did the train get under way, the train brakes would all be applied and if the pipes had not been connected the train brakes wouldn’t be released. The post accident GN instruction to pull all the chords does not make sense either, all that would do is release all the brakes on the train and do away with a fail-safe system (the train could then be moved without coupling the pipes). Also I do not understand from where additional information comes after 105 years. Apologies to Richard, we are way off topic!

[Mickey]

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[jwealleans]

I don't have the issue in question any more, but Micky's sequence of events is more or less what they concluded. Perhaps someone with access to the article can refresh our collective memories? I may have forgotten something crucial.

Edit - link to a summary here. I misremembered - the practice was to pull the strings at a stop and the instruction was to prevent this practice.

The magazine was longer ago than I thought - Sept 2006.