wehf100 wrote:The Cleethorpes grounded body must been there since the early 1900s I think. Alas I can't find the photo I have of it in place circa 1909.
The latest photo I have of one in revenue earning service is undated, but is behind a B8 in early LNER livery (i.e. tender number and cast cabside plate). I suppose it might be on brakedown duties even then?
They are listed as 'Accident Brakes' in the 1910(?) GC diagram book. Nos 9958/9/60/76/77/10166/7/8
I think a major factor in their swift withdrawal was probably the fact that those bogies were wooden framed!
It would be more likely that they ineffective as brakes. Interestingly all but one had screw couplings and vac pipes, which calls in to question their use on mineral trains.
Although they had Instanter couplings, all the BR standard brakes and the surviving LMS brakes in the '70s at Healy Mills had vac pipes. I would have thought that a bogie vehicle, with its inherent extra weight and larger number of wheel treads for brakes to be applied to, would have been better if anything.
I wonder - was maintenance cost the main reason why they were withdrawn? Bean counters get everywhere!
If I ain't here, I'm in Bilston, scoffing decent chips at last!!!!
Bill Bedford wrote:They are listed as 'Accident Brakes' in the 1910(?) GC diagram book. Nos 9958/9/60/76/77/10166/7/8
An interesting snippet of information, thanks Bill. My model may now in due course get a proper running number. So Immingham's bogie breakdown brake of the early fifties may already have had 40+ years in accident/breakdown service following however-many it managed in revenue service beginning in the late 1880s.
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Waltham Windmill - the playground of Grimsby Model Engineers. I'd been told of the existence of the P2 several times, so I was keen to see the proof of its existence. I'd seen parts of it, under construction, at an exhibition at the mill many years ago, but all subsequent visists only suggested to me (wrongly perhaps) the existence of a small (dwindling?) society, few of whom were prepared to turn up for the publicised bank-holiday weekend events. Hence I'd fallen into the habit of travelling up to Gilling if I wanted to see decent miniature steam action. Then mention of the weekend event at the mill appeared in last week's local newspaper, along with a picture of the P2. I had to go along and have a look, but drew a blank on both the saturday and sunday, so almost didn't bother on the monday either. When I finally made the effort on monday afternoon, arriving not much before 4pm, they were just preparing to put their toys back in the box, so I got plenty of views of the P2 without any "wanderers, ice-cream slurpers and shrieking kids" in the way.
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Woah, never expeced it to be Waltham windmill! I haven't been there in years and the largest thing I recall seeing there was a black five. I remember seeing GWR (cough, cough ) mini prototype pacific 'Great Bear' at Normanby Hall a few years ago, by God could it get round quick and I did once catch a peek of a visiting A4. The A4 wasn't running though, probably valve gear problems
A thousand apologies in advance for putting up an LMS loco on here, but the only piece of modelling that I've been able to do over the last month or so has been this: Gentle tinkering with this, when time alowed, has helped to keep me sane (not so as you'd notice of course) whilst fighting against weather and various forms of de-motivation as I should have been gwetting some overdue outdoor jobs finished. This scruffy City of London has been in the family for years, and as the first picture shows previous years of play, and then many years of storage, had done nothing for the paint job. Oxidation on the casting was beginning to break out through the imperfect paint in many places. Also, another series of events led to the buffer beam getting a knock, revealing that many years ago half of it had broken off and been glued back on - it promptly broke again. So I repaired the buffer beam once more, this time reinforcing the joint with some brass sheet behind, cleaned off the oxidation, and decided that as so little of the original paintwork was sound and the loco was certainly not mint original nor boxed, an almost full repaint wouldn't hurt. I've tried however to stick to the original Dublo theme to some extent, mixing a shade of maroon that comes close to previous factory finish, also applying the lining in the same kind of vivid yellow that Binns Road used. I have however taken the liberty of correcting the shape of the lining on the cab, and applying the kind of lining to the tender that is both "correct" as far as it goes, and is possibly the kind of thing that Hornby might have applied had they tried a little harder, or stayed in business a little longer.
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The yellow lining ISN'T as thick as the image makes it appear - the brightness of the colour and the low-res for images on here creates an illusion of a thick shaky line. The BR crest on the tender has had to go to scale size, courtesy of the HMRS sheet. I don't have any Dublo copies, and the factory transfers were clearly in need of replacement.
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Takes me back to my schooldays when I had an 8 x 4 board on the carpet in the front room with an oval of Hornby 3 rail track and Silver King or Mallard tearing round with two tinplate coaches.
We've come a long way since then but its nice to be reminded of the way things were.
With a bit of luck this may show that the lining isn't as blobby and heavy as the overview picture of the whole loco suggested:
I know that the tender frames, and the backplates for the steps, ought to be lined too, but I can't imagine that Meccano Ltd would ever have gone that far, and I certainly wasn't going to try to do the steps as the backplates are festooned with rivets just where the lining would have to go. In any case, without making the lining much finer than the Dublo original, all that yellow would look ridiculous. I didn't want to go for non-original looking fine lining, especially as I had managed to "save" the Dublo transfer lining to the cylinders and the boiler-smokebox joint.
Here's the front end. The break divided the buffer beam at the coupling slot, ran across to the base of the nearside frame, and then along the base of that to the rear edge of the low section of running plate, so that whole near corner of the casting fell off. I must do something to straighten the front end of that boiler handrail too, and then get back to some good honest LNER work! I must therefore suppress thoughts of how much nicer this loco would look if only I fitted full-size wheels.........
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I've got an old 3-rail duchess in a box somewhere. Br Green City of Bristol of all things, awful condition with a great big nut and bolt sticking out of the front end holding the sorry old thing together Apologies of my own for mentioning a loco of a certain West coast company. Still, better than George's Whiney Rustbuckets (GWR). Gotta love Lode Star and City of Truro though, oh and King Edward II..... and Pendennis Castle...... I'm not doing too well here am I.....
) mini prototype pacific 'Great Bear' at Normanby Hall a few years ago, by God could it get round quick and I did once catch a peek of a visiting A4. The A4 wasn't running though, probably valve gear problems 
Still, better than George's Whiney Rustbuckets (GWR). Gotta love Lode Star and City of Truro though, oh and King Edward II..... and Pendennis Castle...... 
I'm not doing too well here am I.....