Returning to Grantham

[strang steel]

The Nottm-Boston traffic, via Barkston, perhaps provided less variety than you would think...
Primarily East Midlands based B1's,K2's and K3's.

Cheers
Robt P.

Those locos would be primarily on the Summer holiday traffic to Skegness and Mablethorpe and a few went to Yarmouth and Lowestoft that way once the M&GN closed.

Freight trains had a varied selection of WD, 9F, O1 and O4 (plus the reports of 8Fs and the LNW 0-8-0 that have been discovered) with the occasional Ivatt 4MT on both freight and passenger.

These would be mainly Colwick locos, with the occasional interloper from Annesley and Toton.

The Immingham Brits were allocated there to work Cleethorpes services, and therefore used the East Lincs line from Peterborough; likewise the March Brits seemed to be used mainly on the York-Yarmouth and the Harwich boat trains, so neither had much of a chance to reach Grantham on their normal rosters.

As I mentioned earlier, 1959 correspondents were more concerned with modern traction so I have included ones that were new deliveries and must have passed Grantham.

Dec 31st 1958 60852+E5000

Feb 3rd 1959 61193+E5001

Feb 24th 1959 92202+E5002

Mar 1959 D6100 D6104 Doncaster to Hornsey following the 7.52a.m. Leeds-KX

Apr 11th 1959 73073 5.12a.m. Doncaster-Grantham class J freight

Apr 16th 1959 60956+E5004

May 13th 1959 61121+E5005

Jul 25th 1959 45565 up Aberdeen fish between York and Grantham, returned l/e

Aug 29th 1959 73163 9.25p.m. Doncaster-Hornsey parcels returning two days later

Sep 24th 1959 D5330+D5331 Hornsey-Doncaster l/e

Sep 28th 1959 D5332+D5333 ditto

Sep 29th 1959 D5334+D5335 ditto

Oct 7th 1959 70053 5.30a.m. Scrooby sidings-New England class H

Oct 12th 1959 73170 4.30a.m. New England-Ranskill

Oct 15th 1959 44377 Nottingham-Grantham local passenger service

Oct 17th 1959 70008 5.30a.m. Scrooby sidings-New England class H


Oct 19th 1959 73130 Doncaster-Grantham pick up freight

[workev]

A Black 5 as well!

Interesting list of the diesel deliveries (and Class 74 electrics).

It looks like 5MTs were used on freights at this time between Yorkshire and Grantham. I think 73130 is an interesting one, as I dont think this was ever sheded in the Eastern Region.

Ian

[rob237]

Holbeck's Jubilee Victoria, at Grantham on the Aberdeen fish, has to be a contender for the "Rocking Horse dropping of the decade" trophy! Never heard of a Jube at Grantham before...

Do recall seeing LMS 4F's on Nottm-Grantham workings on several occasions...

Cheers
Robt P.

[workev]

Missed the Jubilee......

Despite my best endeavours I have never seen anywhere (other than the York-Newcastle section in the Xpress book) rosters or links for Grantham shed, or even liks that ended at Grantham.

I assume somebody has these somewhere, maybe we can jog Roy's memory!?

I understand that Xpress Publishing are going to write one of there books detiling the KX-Doncaster section of the GN line sometime in the 50s/60s; so maybe they will unearth this info.

I did wonder whether the NRM or British Library may have some of these; will have to try them.

Ian

[strang steel]

Holbeck's Jubilee Victoria, at Grantham on the Aberdeen fish, has to be a contender for the "Rocking Horse dropping of the decade" trophy! Never heard of a Jube at Grantham before...

Do recall seeing LMS 4F's on Nottm-Grantham workings on several occasions...

Cheers
Robt P.

The Railway Observer does suggest that this may have been the first ever appearance of a Jubilee on GN metals south of York.

[workev]

I assume that the Jubliee came on the train at York?

Just sold my Bachmann Jubliee as well......

Ian

[rob237]

The Railway Observer does suggest that this may have been the first ever appearance of a Jubilee on GN metals south of York

With the rather lame proviso that the ECML was once crossed at Retford, in the mid 50's!

The regular 'gricers gallery', at the south end platform, stood open-mouthed as a grubby Bihar and Orissa went - light engine - westward over the flat crossing. A Farnley Junction Jubilee at that time, no one could suggest why it was in the area!

Cheers
Robt P.

[Solario]

There are/were a number of Clarence Yards dotted around the country. I am not an expert in the geography of the area (unlike others on this forum) but I took this reference to mean the Clarence Yard close to Finsbury Park.

Thanks SS, I was not aware of any other Clarence Yards, I have learnt a bit more of railway geography.

[strang steel]

There are/were a number of Clarence Yards dotted around the country. I am not an expert in the geography of the area (unlike others on this forum) but I took this reference to mean the Clarence Yard close to Finsbury Park.

Thanks SS, I was not aware of any other Clarence Yards, I have learnt a bit more of railway geography.

Apparently it was an old coal depot which closed in the late 1950s and the site was used to construct Finsbury Park diesel depot, although the locals continued to call it Clarence Yard diesel depot.

[52D]

The Southern locos at Tweedmouth that were reported passing through Grantham, i wonder if the Towing J39 was one of 52Ds.

[deltic9013]

Ian (workev) asks whether a Bullied pacific ever visited Grantham. I observed 35026 Lamport and Holt Line on an enthusiasts special at Radcliffe-on-Trent heading towards Nottingham in 1966/1967 I guess. I have the record but no date. I have no way of knowing whether it passed through Grantham or used the avoiding line via Allington. Can anyone shed any more light on this?
Simon

[61070]

I don't know if this provides any clues:
http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/ht1966.html
35026 was active on the ECML in 1966 on 22 October and again on 20th November, but well north of Grantham on both occasions. Perhaps you saw it 'working its passage' on the way back down south via the GC? Or there may have been a railtour that isn't yet listed?

[deltic9013]

35026 was indeed active on the ECML on October 22 1966 at the head of the Altrinchamian Railway Excursion and again on the William Deacon's Bank Club excursion on November 20th 1966. I believe it was in charge from York to Kings Cross on October 22nd so would have past through Grantham. Other members were seen in the east midlands at this time in connection with the closure of the Great Central. 34002 and 35030 were seen at Nottingham Victoria the latter fed and watered at Colwick! When I saw 35026 at Radcliffe it was at the head of a rake of green southern region coaches if my memory serves me right and it was full of enthusiasts but I have not been able to trace the working yet.

[workev]

The Altrincham Excursion Society "The Elizabethan" charter from KX-Newcastle on 22/10/66 was hauled by 35026 between York and Newcastle, 4472 hauling the train from KX-York. My research also seems to indicate that 35026 went light engine from London to York and back, but I dont know what route was taken so it could have gone through Grantham.

The tour on 25/26 June was a multi-engine affair from Waterloo-Aberdeen (and was called the Aberdonian!). 35026 worked the train from Waterloo to Stockport Edgeley, on 24/25 June then worked from Doncaster-Waterloo. The train was routed via Newark-Lowfield-Bottesford-Nottingham. I dont know what the route would have been?

35026 seems to have been the favoured engine for a number of Northern railtours.

Hope this helps.

Unfortunately 1966 is too late for 34F, but interesting all the same!

Ian

[workev]

On 20 April 1960, MR Compund 1000 and GWR 3440 City of Truro worked a train from KX-Doncaster on a Doncaster Works excursion. No route information is supplied other than it was seen through Welwyn Garden City in the morning. I assume given the timings that this went through Grantham, but any positive sightings?

Another near miss on 13th May 1962 was Schools class 30925 Cheltenham double heading with Fowler 2P 40646 again travelling down th eECML to Newark before going to Nottingham via Bottesford.

9 June 1963 saw Duchess 46245 City of London work a Doncaster special from KX up the ECML through Grantham (allegedly with some high speed running on Stoke Bank).

will try and find some more!

Ian