Various Gresley Designed Locomotives

neildimmer · Post by **neildimmer** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:05 pm

52A · Post by **52A** » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:32 pm

67639 with wreath, Keilder Forest.

52D · Post by **52D** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:19 am

52A wrote:67639 with wreath, Keilder Forest.

Just replied to Neil on another site i do concur with your ID and the signal box has an LNER nameboard.

YNMR · Post by **YNMR** » Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:17 am

Neil,

67635 at Doncaster in 1959 - I suspect the Pullman will be the Hull Portion of the Yorkshire Pullman.

StevieG · Post by **StevieG** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:11 am

Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?

Bill Bedford · Post by **Bill Bedford** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:51 am

I don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.

rob237 · Post by **rob237** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 9:06 am

StevieG wrote:Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?

No...wrong type of housing, too spacious and turntable defunct by that time...

Cheers
Robt P.

coachmann · Post by **coachmann** » Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:47 am

Bill Bedford said :

don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.

I suppose it depends on points of view. If Raven never designed his loco as a 4-6-2T, then the rebuild from 4-4-2T must really be credited to Gresley. Otherwise we cannot credit the A2/2 to Thompson.....!

Get out of that one.....

hyperion · Post by **hyperion** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:18 am

Well, I dunno about 'Get out of that one' Coachman, because I was tempted last night to say something very much along the same lines as Bill Bedford. The A8 was a Gresley rebuild of a Raven N.E. design as you say, but, surely, therefore, it was a Raven design.Even more so the D16 was a Gresley rebuild of Holden's famous Great Eastern 'Claud Hamilton' class, but, Gresley's was the last in a long series of Great Eastern developments and rebuilds, there is no way the 'Claud Hamilton' and its developments can be called a Gresley design.

But having said that:- all the references give the N2 as a Gresley design - but surely it's a development, not a rebuild but a development of Ivatt's N1. So who designed Gresley's N2 ?

I'll bet you can drive a coach and horses through that one, Coachman ?

StevieG · Post by **StevieG** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 12:45 am

rob237 wrote:
StevieG wrote:Only from vague memory of other possibly-similar photograph(s), but might 63928 be at Grantham?
No...wrong type of housing, too spacious and turntable defunct by that time...

Cheers
Robt P.

Fair enough. Only a bit of a guess.

Bill Bedford · Post by **Bill Bedford** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 9:08 am

coachmann wrote:Bill Bedford said :
don't think I would class either the A8 or D16 as Gresley designs.
I suppose it depends on points of view. If Raven never designed his loco as a 4-6-2T, then the rebuild from 4-4-2T must really be credited to Gresley. Otherwise we cannot credit the A2/2 to Thompson.....!

Get out of that one.....

Both Darlington and Stratford drawing offices were relatively independent especially when it came to updating their own designs. While Gresley would have had to approve the designs most of the work would have been done at the two works using mainly component already to hand. Indeed Stratford had a tradition of putting bigger boilers into Claud frames that long pre-dated Gresley's appointment as CME.

coachmann · Post by **coachmann** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:40 am

As we know, railway history is full of who designed this or that when it often came down to the head-mans signature. But there were instances when it went beyond that, like the LMS Royal Scots being referred to by LMS management as 'Improved Castle Class' (Collett Scot???) and the Black Fives being called 'Improved Prince of Wales class' (Beames Black 5???). The Stanier 0-4-4T is probably one of the dafter ones.

Bill Bedford · Post by **Bill Bedford** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 6:39 pm

coachmann wrote:As we know, railway history is full of who designed this or that when it often came down to the head-mans signature. But there were instances when it went beyond that, like the LMS Royal Scots being referred to by LMS management as 'Improved Castle Class' (Collett Scot???).

Well, no major railway was going to admit that they had to resort to outside contractor to design their flagship passenger express locos.

coachmann · Post by **coachmann** » Wed Aug 11, 2010 8:45 pm

Good point there Bill......

Someone in LMS management : Collett Scot?

Fowler : Call it whatever you like!

Andy W · Post by **Andy W** » Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:01 pm

Is 63923 at Grantham? 63928 has got me beat, so far.

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