Ex-GER Lavatory Composite Livery

[boeing757]

Hi,
My period of interest is early post nationalisation and I want to finish an ex-GER lav compo which I believe is dia212. The coach is illustrated in Campling's Vol1 of Historic Carriage Drawings on page 108. The carriage carries the BR number E63518E. Could anyone tell me what colour it would have been.
Thank you for any help.

[gresleybear]

Hello. During the BR period until their withdrawal, most of the ex GE coaches continued to be painted teak color with no scumbling and no lining. Some sources refer to this shade as Stratford Brown, a slightly lighter shade of teak color, with a reddish tinge, if one can draw any conclusions from the few color photos available. Hope this helps.

Forward!

John

[2512silverfox]

The so called 'teak' brown colour would be right. Pre-war the colour varied slightly between works since the paint was mixed on site from handwritten recipes. From 1938/9 a pre mixed gloss finish was bought in from contractors and this would be the finish, albeit quite distressed, for the vehicle in BR days with BR pattern yellow transfers.

[Bill Bedford]

The so called 'teak' brown colour would be right. Pre-war the colour varied slightly between works since the paint was mixed on site from handwritten recipes. From 1938/9 a pre mixed gloss finish was bought in from contractors and this would be the finish, albeit quite distressed, for the vehicle in BR days with BR pattern yellow transfers.

Even if the paint was bought in from suppliers, different batch would have been different shades.

[jwealleans]

Hi Bob,

I have a number of photos of these taken shortly after Nationalisation. Colour you've already had guidance on; the lettering varies from pure LNER; LNER numbers with the 'E' added from an old transfer (that's how I did my model); LNER numbers with a BR Gill Sans 'E' prefix or the Gill Sans lettering you see in Nick's book. Some also have large '1' transfers in compartment and corridor windows right of the door. I haven't seen a good match to this transfer and it's not something I've seen very often in photos.

If you're modelling just after 1948, a patch of a different colour on the left hand end where the 'LNER' has been painted over is a possibility as well.

Can you post a picture?

[boeing757]

Thank you to everyone who has contributed to this thread, those early post-natioalisation days seem to throw up many variations in finish. What I am trying to avoid is some expert in the future announcing that I have got it wrong!
Jonathan, unfortunately I cannot post a picture but can only refer you to my original post for a reference. Incidentally, the body end looks like it is the same colour as the sides; I had been led to believe they should be black on non-corridor stock.
As a parting shot, were any of these coaches repainted crimson?
Bob

[Bill Bedford]

Jonathan, unfortunately I cannot post a picture but can only refer you to my original post for a reference. Incidentally, the body end looks like it is the same colour as the sides; I had been led to believe they should be black on non-corridor stock.

I suggest the the particular shade you see in the photo has more to do with the lack of cleaning of the ends than the underlying paint colour. The bogies appear to be exactly the same shade.

[boeing757]

Looking again, I think you're right Bill, always the problem with black and white photography.

[jwealleans]

Bob,

I thought you might like to see these pictures of what I think is the same kit, brought along by another operator to a 7mm layout of Marske by Sea which I was operating today.







Model built by Keith Newby; photographed by kind permission of Ian Armstrong.

[manna]

G'Day Gents

Pardon me for saying so but the GER Coaches, look a little like the Hornby GWR/LNER? coaches that have been around for the last 50 years......I wonder!!

Bet it's been done before
manna

[boeing757]

Bob,

I thought you might like to see these pictures of what I think is the same kit, brought along by another operator to a 7mm layout of Marske by Sea which I was operating today.







Model built by Keith Newby; photographed by kind permission of Ian Armstrong.

Thanks Jonathan,
Nice to see a completed model, not too common in the Boeing model world! I think the builder has made a really good job, these Highfield kits are very basic to say the least.
Unfortunately teak livery/white roofs and rims pre-date the era I am modelling, handsome (and tempting) as it is. No, its Stratford brown for me and BR numbering. I just hoped that one of these coaches made it to crimson livery, I think it would have suited it.
I also note Mr Newby has opted for gas lighting, mine will feature battery boxes as carried later. Does anyone know how the clerestory roof looked when the gas lamp tops were removed, ie was there any evidence left of the gas lighting?
Bob

[jwealleans]

Bob,

There was still something visible at the location of each lamp - smaller than what is shown here, but visible nonetheless. I used a disc of plastikard and a short length of round rod on my model.

I can email you a photo directly if you wish although they're all taken from platform or lower level looking up.

I don't know Keith Newby but I have seen some of his models and they're top drawer. He must have modelled early post Grouping as we had a scratchbuilt 'Sam Fay' in full GC livery on Saturday as well as a D17 and two North Eastern brake thirds, all in the 1920s LNER period livery.

[boeing757]

Jonathan,

A photo would be much appreciated.

Bob

[Robpulham]

Bob,

There was still something visible at the location of each lamp - smaller than what is shown here, but visible nonetheless. I used a disc of plastikard and a short length of round rod on my model.

I can email you a photo directly if you wish although they're all taken from platform or lower level looking up.

I don't know Keith Newby but I have seen some of his models and they're top drawer. He must have modelled early post Grouping as we had a scratchbuilt 'Sam Fay' in full GC livery on Saturday as well as a D17 and two North Eastern brake thirds, all in the 1920s LNER period livery.

And lovely they were too!! Another great surprise was how well the Jim McGowan starter kit loco looked when painted in LNER black. I know that it's fictional and can be used in many settings but it certainly didn't look out of place.