London Midland & Scottish Railway.

[Mickey]

Nice model of a L.N.W.R./L.M.S. Claughton. I am starting to like steam locomotives painted in red livery. Micky GNR/L.N.E.R.

[coachmann]

I'm wondering what a Claughton has to do with the new Patriot project.

[Bill Bedford]

I'm wondering what a Claughton has to do with the new Patriot project.

Perhaps they are going to start from first principles and start with a Claughton and rebuild it to a Patriot...........

[coachmann]

I'm wondering what a Claughton has to do with the new Patriot project.

Perhaps they are going to start from first principles and start with a Claughton and rebuild it to a Patriot...........

I hope they do that with the P2....boom boom.



(An A2/2 would be just the ticket).

[James Brodie]

I'm afraid the LMS pointy boilered locos all look the same to me. I could never tell a rebuilt Scot from a Jubilee or of any of the other types, incidently mention of beginning to like red engines I have a red 'black five'! It came to me in that condition and looks nice next to the original Scott and red 4P compound and ofcourse the red thingy whose photo I added earlier.
is it correct in the LMS rebuilding of the Claughtons all they used were the wheelsets?
The GWR (spit) 4-6-0 engines all looked the same to me as well and to add insult to injury the Lionel 4-6-0 model I have is painted red as well!
happy LNER modelling, Jim Brodie.

[Mickey]

Yes everyone's heard of the LMS Black 5s but the LMS Red 5s isn't that well known. An LMS Red 5 was better known as a Jubilee. I like LMS locomotives and it makes a change seeing a 'Red' painted locomotive rather than the usual 'Brunswick Green' of our locomotives but between the two liveries i like them both. Micky GNR/L.N.E.R.

[giner]

Here's a link to the Patriot website. In the second paragraph there's a snippet about the link between Claughtons and Patriots, as Bill alluded to a few posts back.

http://www.lms-patriot.org.uk/overview.html

What puzzles me about the names, given that they were to commemorate things military, regiments, heroes, etc., is why some were given the names of Welsh seaside towns, albeit those on the LMS-served coast.

[chaz harrison]

What puzzles me about the names, given that they were to commemorate things military, regiments, heroes, etc., is why some were given the names of Welsh seaside towns, albeit those on the LMS-served coast.

Almost as if a railway might start out naming a class of loco after big country houses and then suddenly switch to football clubs.

Chaz

[James Brodie]

To us from Slaggy Island and Doggy our local first division team was named after an engine-UP the BORO!
Jim Brodie.
Sorry I don't have a B17.
Mick did you ever work at Gospel Oak?

[Mickey]

Hello James, yes i use to work Gospel Oak s/box back around 1987-1990 when i was on the relief on the on the North London line. After 'getting off' the relief i went back to Upper Holloway (for a second time) until the summer of 1992 then i went to Camden Road from the summer of 1992 until July 2004 (i down graded myself cos i had had enough of Camden Road after 12 years) and then i went back to Upper Holloway which is where i am now. Thats the 'third time' that i have been regular at Upper Holloway i went there when they originally opened the box back in 1985 after they closed my old box at Junction Road Junction and also the 'old' Upper Holloway. Obviously i know you James if you know me from working Gospel Oak back in the late 1980s. Micky GNR/L.N.E.R.

[Mickey]

Pictures of Camden Road Junction s/box

[Mickey]

One of our current member's use to be a booking boy in Camden Road Junction s/box during WW2. When he found out that i had been a signalman at that box in the late 1980s, 90s & early 00s and that i had some pictures of the box he asked me to post them. There was a connection between the GNR and the North London railway at Canonbury Junction and with the North London incline between Camden Road/Maiden Lane Junction and Goods & Mineral Junction GNR/L.N.E.R. Also both companies use to run there trains over each others railways. Micky GNR/L.N.E.R.

[manna]

G'Day Gents
The old NLR, use to run to quite a few places on the GN system, even up the Barnet/Highgate branch, the WGC, Gordon Hill trains lasted to the end of Broad Street, one place I never got to, all single man DMU turns.
manna

[TonyM]

Hi Gang

My layout started as a joint LNER LMS and I originally intended to build a joint layout somewhere near Carlisle but I have gradually moved more to all apple green areas but I still have to run the occasional Crimson Lake train because the other half is a fan of the LMS as she used to live along side the tracks in Wealdstone (where the big smash was) so I often get a stranger running through Millchester. I have kept a Princess a Duchess a rebuilt Patriot and a 4F complete with a rake of crimson coaches. The 8F I have is in LNER black.
Currently waiting for my D11 from Union Mills.

TonyM

[kudu]

Surely no-one can deny that the A3s were magnificent machines in appearance and performance, and arrived years before the Duchesses.

But just a minute. Wasn't the Gresley Pacific eclipsed by Pendennis Castle until it was modified to incorporate some of Churchward's ideas? And can someone remind where Holcroft was working when he sorted out the conjugated valve gear for Gresley? As for Stanier's origins, I don't think they were Crewe or Derby. Or Doncaster, come to that.

It seems to me when it comes to British steam Swindon rules! What a pity the Great Western didn't allow itself to follow Swindon principles instead of building close replicas, Tornado-style, of Churchward engines on a grand scale from the 20s right through to the 60s.