Red aspect loco Headlamps

[61070]

Was it a light engine called to assist in an emergency (breakdown etc.)??

[52A]

Yes spot on, signalled as express.

[52D]

So you rough Gateshead men could give your crows on the whistle and Tweedmouth loco would despatch a Thunderbird with three lamps post haste to pull you to Edinburgh.

[James Brodie]

Try Heaton men they were "ruffer" Gateshead men were gentlemen.
An emergency choo choo would still only have EP lights on the front and a loco lamp as a tail lamp, so there you get three lamps.
When our EPs fell down we got the Darlington (south) emergency engine. The last one I got was 'Galopin' I broke an engine every day and got threatened I would be banned from working this turn any more-BUT like the army instead I got promoted! if you bent your engine near York shed they always gave you their unwanted and uncared for B1 (1034) although I once had a tantrum and came away with one of their newest shiny brand new engines which our shed used until nearly clapped out and they (York) kept crying could they have their engine back!
I once had a York engine and when we arrived at Skelton the foreman said there was a load for Low Fell, when we arrived at Low fell we followed a York man in who had a Newport engine. The foreman sent them home passenger and gave us (Newport men)their work back to York thinking we were York men. Happy days.
Somwhere in my Pandora's box I have local headcodes for Geordieland train workings and I am sure I have seen reference to some destinations were three lamps were used.
Great Eastern men used Southern headcodes when working the cross London routes to parts foriegn will seek some of them out as well.
Jim.

[52A]

Local head codes were for the electric services, didn't Teeside also have local headcodes for their local trip workings? Excellent point about Gateshead (the cream) and Heaton (Dublin Junction)!

[52A]

Around the Glasgow area I seem to remember some locos had extra lamp brackets and some of the lamps had blue shades. Can anyone shed further light (oh dear) on this? Attached picture of ex Scottish 67628 at Gateshead, note dual lamp brackets and pulley for slip coupling.

[52D]

I take it that loco must have been a Cowlairs banker then and is that a brake tender behind it?

[52A]

Yes could have been used in that capacity, in 1958 was shedded at Kipps and Helensburgh in 1962 before coming to Tyneside, presumably displaced by Clydeside electrification. Yes brake tender behind, they were always a nuisance!

[52A]

From 1947 Sectional Appendix.

[52A]

Also from 1947 SA.

[James Brodie]

Newport local headcodes:- Yes we used these lamps right up to the diesels coverting the route indicators letters to match the lamp positions, it got quite complicated until the diesel route indicators just became two white dots.
if we had a brake tender leading then the route indicator was blanked out and lamps shewn in their respective positions. Incidently we could propel a tender at 45MPH and haul at 60MPH. Not bad on a 20MPH speed restricted line! Our locals had the guard ride on the engine as we didn't have a van at the rear just a red flag(daytime) or tail lamp *lit* in darkness and the lamp hung on the coupling hook this is why the tail lamp carrying handle has that unusual shape .
Tyneside did have local codes and even passenger turns had local codes as well, that is in addition to the EMU codes.
Jim Brodie-potential platform white line painter look out man.

[James Brodie]

Dear Sirs, A loco would have three lamps when running LE under EP lights as in going to assist and ofcourse the third loco headlamp would be in use as its tail lamp.
Jim Brodie.