So what shall we name the new P2?

[giner]

As a slight variation on Richards original suggestion.
Could I dare to suggest a definitive Scottish name that is known worldwide?

"Monster of Ness"

Well, a famous Scottish (or, in this case Scotch) name known worldwide, and also a bird, might be The Famous Grouse. Hope that doesn't ruffle too many feathers (sorry, could'nae resist) among the more temperate.

[Kyle1987]

Something Scottish hey? I think the following Scottish inventors name would be relatively fitting:

James Watt

[Solario]

On the aircraft theme, what about Buccaneer? A fine plane designed & built in East Yorkshire with strong Scottish connections (Lossiemouth).

[Atlantic 3279]

Wouldn't it be every bit as good, or maybe better still and less potentially controversial, with no name?

Cock o' the North is the only name that would appeal to me, but the number will be wrong and possibly not all of the features will be authentic.

What about some discrete brackets for removable nameplates, and cabside numbers applied as removable vinyls? Charge the photographers (plenty) for display of their choice of name and number!

[CVR1865]

Lord Blair (cough, cough, hueyyyyyy!!!)

[S.A.C. Martin]

Wouldn't it be every bit as good, or maybe better still and less potentially controversial, with no name?

With my business cap on - makes it difficult to build up the same kind of brand identity as Tornado has done.

Cock o' the North is the only name that would appeal to me, but the number will be wrong and possibly not all of the features will be authentic.

While I've no doubt it will look more like Cock O' The North than the other as built P2s did, I'm fairly certain the changes will be significant enough for the locomotive to not be suitable for that name.

Someone mentioned the water heater earlier - I've got it on good authority that the A1 Trust is in all likelihood going to remove that aspect of the design from the equation. One wag suggested a fibre glass mockup to put on the engine, though...!

Ergo it'll incorporate the major aspects of the Gresley design whilst adding things like the roller bearings/streamlined air passages/V2 pony truck design, the improved cartazzi as found on Tornado and removing all the unnecessary equipment and similar that hindered the original locomotives.

I think it will be the valve gear choice that determines how close to one of, or how much of a mixture of all the P2 locomotives, a new build P2 would come out as.

What about some discrete brackets for removable nameplates, and cabside numbers applied as removable vinyls? Charge the photographers (plenty) for display of their choice of name and number!

It hasn't happened with Tornado yet, so I think it's probably not going to happen on the P2 (if built).

[davidwest]

Highland phoenix?

[52D]

Although 52A doesnt seem to like Regiments there is one candidate currently that could be used and like the P2 its a new build Royal Regiment of Scotland.

[Atlantic 3279]

Shame the flexible identity idea seems to have gone down like a lead balloon - it is tempting to think that with careful design it could have been taken a step further by giving the loco two optional "bolt-on" front end shapes. Obviously it wouldn't be the kind of thing that could be swapped over at will during a weekend on shed, but a style change during intermediate repairs would be a novel feature. Identities could rotate from intitially LNER green with air-scoop front, then LNER green with Bugatti front, then cover the whole lot in a dense layer of filth and claim that it is authentic late-crest BR condition (as never was in this case). After a while, back to original condition......

[Bryan]

Someone mentioned the water heater earlier - I've got it on good authority that the A1 Trust is in all likelihood going to remove that aspect of the design from the equation.

I like it a FIRELESS

[coachmann]

Frankly you could call it 'Jock Strap', 'Trust Me Blair' or 'Old MacDonald had a Farm', it isn't going to matter. To Joe Public it will simply resemble 'Tornado', but name it 'Cock 'o The North' and that will guarantee the new engine publicity.

Unlike 'Tornado', which was simply added to the A1 class, the P2 will only resemble one loco, the first of the class, so it might as well carry the one name that will resonate with the public, TV viewers and enthusiasts alike.

[Atlantic 3279]

Well said Sir!

[Bill Bedford]

Lord Blair (cough, cough, hueyyyyyy!!!)

Eric o'corse.....

[S.A.C. Martin]

Someone mentioned the water heater earlier - I've got it on good authority that the A1 Trust is in all likelihood going to remove that aspect of the design from the equation.

I like it a FIRELESS

I must admit, reading back I hadn't cottoned on how that could be interpreted!

But the ACFI feed water heater is unlikely to be on the new design as anything other than an aesthetic choice. Certainly not a working one.

Frankly you could call it 'Jock Strap', 'Trust Me Blair' or 'Old MacDonald had a Farm', it isn't going to matter. To Joe Public it will simply resemble 'Tornado', but name it 'Cock 'o The North' and that will guarantee the new engine publicity.

Unlike 'Tornado', which was simply added to the A1 class, the P2 will only resemble one loco, the first of the class, so it might as well carry the one name that will resonate with the public, TV viewers and enthusiasts alike.

In fairness, it may not resemble any one of the class exactly, but it will resemble most closely (if I am interpreting Mr Crawley's words correctly) Cock O' The North as their first choice for the overall look of the design. That being the case, you can't really give the locomotive an historical name in that vein because it won't be exactly that class member - hence the advantage of "next in sequence with new name".

The new County, on the other hand, fits that well because the entire idea behind that is to make it as close to an actual County as possible in every detail.

From the people I've been speaking to today, I think a single word name like Tornado, will be the eventual winner at the end of the day - though if it comes down to it, I think redtoon's convinced me with "Lady of Lochleven" - I really, really like that name and can imagine it on the nameplate. It would also provide an elegant contrast to Tornado's name and characteristics.

[sir visto]

A very appropriate name, in my view, would be "Lord of the Isles". I know it's a title held by Prince Charles and Royal permission would be needed but I can't imagine that it would be refused.

"British Enterprise" indeed. OK for a featureless tin box but not for a P2.

Don