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Bryan
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Re: Workington North

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You can bet the MOD does not have a great number of the modern equivilant units availlable as they are quite stretched in the Middle East at the moment.
These bridge systems are not really suited to this sort of use. For the length of span a deck with under girders would be needed increasing height.
Ramp units would be excessively steep even for foot traffic. With metal decking rather than wood.
Also they are not designed with side barriers, so only a temporary type of handrail would be fitted. Probably not suited to the elf and safety brigade.
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Re: Workington North

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xallers wrote:
R. pike wrote:One of the bridges to fail was a footbridge mounted on the piers of an old railway bridge. Clearly whoever is responsible for maintaining it now applies different standards to it's former owners<g>
That was navies bridge - consisted of sections of "lightweight" concrete walkway mounted on the old stone piers of the railway bridge that used to link through the centre of town- by the look of it one of the piers collapsed.

Realistically you wouldnt maintain piers for a walkway to the same standard as an active rail bridge
it appeared that in this case the pier survived but the the volumn of water plus the build up of trees and rubbish swept the bridge off its foundation bolts as the handrails on the remaining section where completely flattened which i take it was completely submerged at one period.
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Re: Workington North

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In this instance it’s not what the bridge will carry on top, but what amount of water will pass underneath it, and without eroding its foundations.

Has anyone got a photo of the intact rail bridge, or can refer me to one please, showing the span across the river?

The stone bridge builders would have laughed at us if they had known we were treating their fine bridges as museum pieces and refusing to build bigger ones to span all of the water at all stages of the river. Stone was the only permanent material they had to hand. Most stone arches (even those) are higher and with storm arches on the flood plains to either side.
English Heritage have far too much power without responsibility, they should be the first Quango to go or be drastically shrunk in their powers.

Longest series of arches in UK (road bridge - and these are in trouble, and Grade 1 "Listed" to make things difficult.)

http://www.derbyphotos.co.uk/areas_p_z/swarkestone.htm

3rd pic. down. Many more views on similar www sites. Regards. JG
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third-rail wrote:it appeared that in this case the pier survived
third-rail you need to check out readily available sources of information because it clearly did not survive

If you look on google earth there are three piers (two in the water and one at the edge of the north bank)
http://www.google.com/maps?ie=UTF8&ll=5 ... 3&t=h&z=18

If you check the bbc coverage on youtube there are now only two (in this case both in the water since the north bank was submerged)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoZPxC6arSo
third-rail wrote:the handrails on the remaining section where completely flattened which i take it was completely submerged at one period
The remaining handrails look intact to me


On a more constructive note to johng's question:
johng wrote:Has anyone got a photo of the intact rail bridge
I found a video of the network rail bridge here (rail bridge is about 20 seconds in)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu_6dbOKqU8

Also the port authority rail bridge is here (26 secs in):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XoqDSEx8pc0
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yes i see what you mean by the downed foot bridge the clip i saw on the box was taken from the top of the span that was still on the pier running down into the water then went to a shot of a footbridge with the hand rail all bent over which i took to be the same bridge but it appears i was wrong ,by the way does anyone how the piers of the disused rail bridge further upstream fared.
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Re: Workington North

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52A wrote:Some of them alas showed themselves to be thick. The media didn't help by publicising the fact that people had to drive many miles to access Workington. It took them a few days to discover that the place was also served by a railway and that a short drive to Flimby would obviate all these miles travelled by car. Then to crown it all they followed a particularly bright specimen on the train and she was almost in tears saying she could not stand this terrible journey and not being able to get a seat. My heart went out to her having to stand for an endless 7 minutes! The railway bridge is built of steel/wrought iron (somebody help me here) with piles into the river bed, perhaps this helped in its preservation. There was much song and dance about how brilliant Notwork Fail were building a temporary station, BR did it regularly at Finningley. One last question, the train is free, who is paying I wonder?

The Northside Bridge was built, as so many road bridges are, at a narrow point in the river. The Merchants' Quay Viaduct was built over a wider part, so the water was not flowing as rapidly. This is in adition to other factors, such as a higher standard of contruction and maintenance.

Travelling on the train, it is obvious that many people have never travelled by train before. Some did not know that to open the doors on a Class 156 or 153 it is necessary to press a button. Others did not know that, when travelling on Direct Rail Services' Mk III FOs, they need to lower the droplight and open the dor from the outside. I have been asked, "Which side for Maryport?", which is a single-platform station.

As no tickets are issued, due to the Department for Transport footing the bill at the behest of Transport Minister Sadiq Khan, it is necessary to carry out counts from time to time. Funding has been promised until 31st May 2010.

Northern has altered its fare structure to the extent that anyone from Workington wishing to travel north of Maryport is charged only from Maryport, and passengers from Maryport wishing to travel south of Workington are charged only from Workington.

Passengers from south of Workington wishing to go to Workington North, Flimby or Maryport are charged only as far as Workington and passengers from north of Maryport wishing to go to Flimby, Workington North or Workington are charged only as far as Maryport.

As Workington North is close to the Dunmail Park shopping centre, I have asked Northern, Network Rail, Cumbria County Council and the DfT if we can have it made permanent. Dunmail Park houses west Cumbria's only cinema complex, so is popular with youngsters who previously would book tickets to Workington and walk the rest of the way.

This is not the first time that west Cumbria's railway has led the way for the rest of the system to follow. The "Harrington Hump", a low-cost solution to raising low platforms and the installation of low-cost facilities south of Millom so that stone trains could be loaded on the runing line after the last passenger train has gone have all been piloted here.

Now that the Community Rail Partnership has been confirmed, we are looking forward to more improvements in the future.
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Re: Workington North

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L&Y Man wrote:
52A wrote:Some of them alas showed themselves to be thick. The media didn't help by publicising the fact that people had to drive many miles to access Workington. It took them a few days to discover that the place was also served by a railway and that a short drive to Flimby would obviate all these miles travelled by car. Then to crown it all they followed a particularly bright specimen on the train and she was almost in tears saying she could not stand this terrible journey and not being able to get a seat. My heart went out to her having to stand for an endless 7 minutes! The railway bridge is built of steel/wrought iron (somebody help me here) with piles into the river bed, perhaps this helped in its preservation. There was much song and dance about how brilliant Notwork Fail were building a temporary station, BR did it regularly at Finningley. One last question, the train is free, who is paying I wonder?

The Northside Bridge was built, as so many road bridges are, at a narrow point in the river. The Merchants' Quay Viaduct was built over a wider part, so the water was not flowing as rapidly. This is in adition to other factors, such as a higher standard of contruction and maintenance.

Travelling on the train, it is obvious that many people have never travelled by train before. Some did not know that to open the doors on a Class 156 or 153 it is necessary to press a button. Others did not know that, when travelling on Direct Rail Services' Mk III FOs, they need to lower the droplight and open the dor from the outside. I have been asked, "Which side for Maryport?", which is a single-platform station.

As no tickets are issued, due to the Department for Transport footing the bill at the behest of Transport Minister Sadiq Khan, it is necessary to carry out counts from time to time. Funding has been promised until 31st May 2010.

Northern has altered its fare structure to the extent that anyone from Workington wishing to travel north of Maryport is charged only from Maryport, and passengers from Maryport wishing to travel south of Workington are charged only from Workington.

Passengers from south of Workington wishing to go to Workington North, Flimby or Maryport are charged only as far as Workington and passengers from north of Maryport wishing to go to Flimby, Workington North or Workington are charged only as far as Maryport.

As Workington North is close to the Dunmail Park shopping centre, I have asked Northern, Network Rail, Cumbria County Council and the DfT if we can have it made permanent. Dunmail Park houses west Cumbria's only cinema complex, so is popular with youngsters who previously would book tickets to Workington and walk the rest of the way.

This is not the first time that west Cumbria's railway has led the way for the rest of the system to follow. The "Harrington Hump", a low-cost solution to raising low platforms and the installation of low-cost facilities south of Millom so that stone trains could be loaded on the runing line after the last passenger train has gone have all been piloted here.

Now that the Community Rail Partnership has been confirmed, we are looking forward to more improvements in the future.
Correcting my earlier reply, I have since been told that funding for the emergency service is to end on 2nd May next.


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