Loco Clarification

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:59 pm

Can anyone please clarify this locomotive. I think it is a BR Standard 4 4-6-0

Regards

Karl

Post by **richard** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:18 pm

I'm not too well-up on the smaller LMS types, but I think it looks like an Ivatt 2MT 2-6-0:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMS_Ivatt_Class_2_2-6-0

Note the engine number: 5 digits starting with a '4' - so it is ex-LMS.

It looks like a 2-6-0 to me. Combined with the general small boiler look and the small LMS/Standard tender, it definitely looks like one of Ivatt's mixed traffic types (of which I understand some of the smaller 'Standards' were based).

Richard

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:24 pm

Yes my idea of the Standard 4 was the closest match I could find. (hopless I know

) I was looking at the tender more than anything as its a distinctive shape. The Standard 4 was the closest I got, however I didn't think it was 100% as the dome was not high enough and the front chimney was to 'stubby'

Thanks Richard

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:33 pm

I agree that the loco is an Ivatt Class 2MT, no problem with that. But why is it painted green? Is this a preservation era photo, or is it a loco that was transferred to the Western Region.

The loco is clearly pushing the train out of the station as the starter signal is off. They may be topping and tailing a train on a preserved railway.

Colombo

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:36 pm

The picture is as you have rightly said Colombo a preserved railway lets see if you can guess

Regards

Karl

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:00 am

karlrestall wrote:The picture is as you have rightly said Colombo a preserved railway lets see if you can guess

Hampton Loade station on the Severn Valley?

Colombo · Post by **Colombo** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:44 am

Bullhead,

Yes you are right, Hampton Loade it is. The GWR lower quadrant signal gives it away. The loco is of course 46521 which was a GW alocated engine, to Brecon 89B in 1959. So the green livery will be right. There are other photos on the web site of locos running wrong road through Hampton Loade with the starter off, so that must be how they do it when the signal box is not manned and there is only light traffic.

Colombo.

Bullhead · Post by **Bullhead** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:11 pm

Colombo wrote:There are other photos on the web site of locos running wrong road through Hampton Loade with the starter off, so that must be how they do it when the signal box is not manned and there is only light traffic.

I presume the box switches out.

50A · Post by **50A** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:52 pm

Sorry guys but I have to disagree about the location. Severn Valley I agree with, but the Station is Arley. The road crosses the railway on an overbridge at Arley but at Hampton Loade the road goes under the railway.

I am not much of an expert on GWR matters but I did have a holiday down there a few years ago, and I helped a friend built a 4mm model based on Highley (where the station building is the mirror image of Arley).
Anyhow that was a few years ago and I am better now.

Andy.

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 12:58 pm

Correct Andy, I wondered how long it would be until someone realised the road bridge.

Regards

Karl

Tom Quayle · Post by **Tom Quayle** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:08 pm

Its and LMS one number starts with a 4

karlrestall · Post by **karlrestall** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:12 pm

So all ex-LMS locos obtained bt BR were rnumbered 4???? what were the LNER, SR and GWR's numbers or was it just LMS that this was applied to?

Regards

Karl

Post by **richard** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:28 pm

Yes BR had to combine 4 large locomotive fleets. It was easy enough just to make all the numbers 5 digit by adding a number at the beginning.

(LNER W1 No. 10000 had been renumbered by that point)

LNER locos received a '6', eg. No. 60700

SR locos received a '3', eg. No. 35023
(I think SR locos also had a renumbering because their numbers also had letters in them!)

GWR being the GWR didn't have any prefix.

The BR Standards received various prefixes, eg. the Britannias started with a '7', and the 9Fs started with a '9'.

Richard

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:28 pm

There are also some oddballs about like the SnD 7F's eg 53809.

Standard Tanks were in the 80000 series aswell.

61650GTFC · Post by **61650GTFC** » Tue Jun 13, 2006 3:38 pm

Just to confuse it the EM1's where in 26XXX series and EM2's in 27XXX series. In the Southern region Ian Allan ABC! I didnt realise the southern went as far as Sheffield and manchester!