61070 wrote:Flamingo: (your most recent post came in as I was about to submit this, so some of what follows is redundant) In terms of the date of the photo, my dad seldom recorded a date against his colour photography, and this series of pictures has been removed from the card mounts, supplied by Kodak, which usually bore the month/year of processing. Through previous enquiries via this forum, including reference to Tommy Knox's pacific database, I've been able to assign 31/8/1962 to 8 slides, including this one, which were definitely all taken consecutively and on the same day. (grantham-pix-in-autumn-61-or-spring-62- ... 229s0.html) For the moment I am as certain of this date as I can be but, in this kind of circumstance, of course I'd be willing to review it if there's really strong evidence that this particular pacific loco couldn't have been around then. Incidentally, I see now that I posted the above photo during that discussion, in March last year, but it was not at such high resolution.
You've thrown me now. In the earlier thread it seemed as if the year had been established beyond doubt as 1961 not 1962.
Despite many efforts we can't actually read any of the 5 digits on that smokebox numberplate with certainty (or at least I can't even after trying an image enhancer). We only know the first two, 6 and 0, because they can't be any other numbers. If other 'local' A2/3s are in contention what about 60520 and 60523?
If other local A2/3 are in contention what about 60520/23
Indeed they could be in contention as,it appears, could most other members of the class. At the time in question 31/8/61, 520and 523 both belonged to 36A Doncaster. 60511/517/521 were at Heaton 52B and 512/515/516/518/ 522/524 at York 50A,with 519 at 64B Haymarket and 60500/513/514 at 34E Peterborough.
Thanks again to all for your input, especially Flamingo, giner, Simierski and stembok. Actually I'm more than pleased that we seem to be fairly settled on the identity of the class as A2/3. Further speculation on the locomotive's individual identity would seem to be rather fruitless as there are clearly many alternatives - especially if, as stembok suggests, we take into consideration the possibility that the loco may not be the Grantham main line pilot at all, and it just happens to be occupying the pilot's normal position.
I'm very grateful for the effort that's gone into this; if more ideas occur do put them up. As I've maybe mentioned before, I've provided scans of all my father's Grantham railway pictures, along with detailed captions, to Grantham Museum as a part of their local history resource. I continue to send them updates occasionally as new information comes to light.
stembok: your mention of 60121 running at this time without an electric lamp fitment brought to mind a photo I have of that loco which, when I looked just now, shows this very clearly, and might be of some interest becaise of where it was taken. I'm going to post it separately as we've already wandered rather far away from L1s here. (My apologies for that, Robert.)
I wonder if a forum member is able to help, please? I am the owner of two worksplates for L1 locos. My late father (a railway signalman) bought them from BR. They are numbered 2042 and 2047. I am interested to know what their BR numbers were, if any photos of those locos exist and when where they worked and were scrapped.
Thanks
John Alborough
2042 was built in June 1948 and numbered 67724 whilst 2047 was built in July of that year and ran as 67729. Both were withdrawn from traffic in September 1962, according to the RCTS Greenie - can't see any direct reference (yet) as to where they worked or were scrapped. Sorry
A quick check on the Transport Treasury website (http://www.transporttreasury.co.uk/index.html) brought up photos of 67724 and 67729 quite quickly, although you can't actually see the pictures - you get a reference and a description, from which you can order a print.
You can go to any of their lists and put the loco number into the 'Find:' box, eg
67724 http://www.transporttreasury.co.uk/page131.html ('Richard C Riley - The Year 1959 List')
Find: '67724'
brought up
13021 [which is the photo ref no.] 67724 Tn Up E/stk [on train, up empty stock] Bethnal Green 28/2/59
Just caught up with this thread on L1 loco's.
Unless I have missed it in the previous posts, the first two L1's to arrive at Hull Botanic were Nos 7719 & 7721. Both were in apple green livery and were fitted with Westinghouse brakes.
I fired 7719 on a Hull to Pontefract(Baghill) train previously worked by G5 7340, the one with extended tanks. That rostered train did not last long.
7719 really attracted attention stood at the head of the train at Pontefract,mostly from other enginemen
The two loco's quietly vanished from Botanic after about 3 months but I don't know to where.
Forgot add, I also fired 7719 on a turn from Hull to Selby and then being the second engine on a double headed train from Selby to Bridlington. Second day out we had a hot box,limped into Brid about 15 minutes down.
Footplate ex Botanic Gardens & Bradford GN (Bowling)
Yorkshire born & bred
2042 was built in June 1948 and numbered 67724 whilst 2047 was built in July of that year and ran as 67729. Both were withdrawn from traffic in September 1962, according to the RCTS Greenie - can't see any direct reference (yet) as to where they worked or were scrapped. Sorry
According to Yeadon's Register Vol. 16, 67724 was shedded at Stratford from new, transferred to Hitchin on the 22nd of March 1953 and then returned to Stratford on the 12th of April 1953. It was condemned on the 16th of September 1962 and went to Doncaster for cut up on the 23rd of November 1962.
67729 was shedded at Stratford throughout its career other than for a short spell at Toton between the 18th and 31st of October 1953. It was condemned on the 16th of September 1962 and went to Doncaster for cut up on the 15th of November 1962.
