Modelling LNER Shunters in OO (was "LNER")

[will derbyshire]

Hello Everyone,

I am currently working my way towards starting a modelrailway that will take up half of our loft space. i was planning on making it pure LNER, however i have researched most retailers and have found a limited choice of LNER shutting locos.
Im sure there must be some Railway modelers on this site. So can some one give me some places that sell a wider range of LNER shunters?
and if not, Did the LNER ever get other companies running Express trains, goods trains ECT on the LNER?

[richard]

Welcome to the forums!

There is a part of the LNER forums dedicated to modelling:

model-railways-f3.html

You'll see we have a lot of modellers!

I assume you mean OO? We have a lot of modellers in N / 2mm scale, OO / 4mm, and O/ 7mm.

Yes trains from different companies would appear on each other's tracks according to running powers. Even more varied would be wagons which would usually be very mixed up.

On occasion some companies used locos that are usually associated with other companies. Eg. Robinson's "ROD"s (a Great Central design inherited by the LNER as Class O4) was used in its war surplus form by all four of the Grouping companies. Similarly, the LNER inherited Johnson 4-4-0s (a Midland / LMS type) through the Midland & Great Northern Joint Railway although they never ventured further afield.


Richard

[52D]

Hi modelmaster do a good publication British steam locomotive allocations 1948-1968 you will need part 4 that details all ex LNER locos and to what shed they were allocated.
The one thing you have to beware of with modelling the LNER is that from 1946 there was a general renumbering scheme so first of all pick your era then location then take it from there.
Like Richard says look on the modelling thread as there are many wise men aboard this site that can help answer questions.

[will derbyshire]

Thanks guys, Yes my Model Railway will be OO gauge. The Era i was planning to do was 1930-1940's, I mainly chose the era because the A1's, A3's and A4's were all Running. And as these are my favriote Loco's out of all the "Big Four" i thought it best to incorporate them into my Line.
I know LNER and LMS were great rivals during this era, as was GWR and LNER, Would LMS shunters work in the LNER yards?

thanks for the help so far
will

[wehf100]

[Richard Might this be better in Modelling forum, and with a slightly more instructive title?]

Hi, the only LNER loco specifically designed only for shunting I know of available in OO scale ready-to-run, is the Bachmann LNER J72. It is based on the North Eastern Railway class E1. There is a page on lner.info on where these locos were allocated to at various dates. http://www.lner.info/locos/J/j72.shtml

Other locomotives, all very much restricted to regional areas of operation are:

1)Lima J50 0-6-0 (A ex-GNR locomotive, but has an awful chassis, crude detail and has been out of production for many years) http://www.lner.info/locos/J/j50j51.shtml

2)Hornby J52 (another ex-GNR locomotive, not a bad effort by Hornby condsidering its age) http://www.lner.info/locos/J/j52j53.shtml

The LNER tended to use some very old locos for shunting duties. Older passenger locos were useful for moving stock which was fitted with vacuum brakes (or indeed, empty carriage stock)

You could build a kit of the Robinson L1 (AS SEEN HERE:on-robs-workbench-q10-ready-for-paintshop-t1126s90.html )
This locomotive was supposedly built for coal trains, and did run on a few in LNER days. It wasn't very suitable for the work so was cascaded to other uses. This included the odd passenger turn and was used for many years as a shunter. They survived to the early 1950's. Deans Sidings make the resin body kit to fit straight on to a rtr chassis- so work is minimal!

Hope this helps, good luck!

Will

[52D]

A good choice of era if you are modelling why not stretch your later year out to 1942/43 when you could run some of the express locos in black with NE on the tender and include some odditys not normally seen on LNER metals. Examples not normally seen would be the LNER built examples of the LMS 8F(LNER O6),the 0-6-0 USA tanks later bought by the SR, the American S160 class 2-8-0, WD 2-8-0, WD 2-10-0 and finally the Austerity 0-6-0ST later LNER J94.
Also the LNER borrowed some SR King Arthurs for a while.

[will derbyshire]

I could strech the time upto 1942 and use these trains, however it would depended on if i could get them and on the price!

wehf100,
Thanks for the infomation given, however im not going to be building any loco's for a while(as im not the best at building model trains)
Before i try building model trains again i think i will firstly build my railway and wait untill i have finished the Engineering diploma i will be starting in 2 weeks time.

thanks for the infomation thought, i am very greatfull
Will

[richard]

If you are prepared to go a few years later then the J94s appeared around 1945-1948. I think Dapol have one of those, or did?

Also if you want an early repainting job (with possible minor modification) as a beginner's project, a wartime or later setting would allow you to run DES1s - English Electric 0-6-0 diesel electrics - they look remarkably like the Class 08 350hp diesel shunter.

I thought Hornby has a J83 - that would be more Scottish.
Also in the Scottish category, the old Hornby "Smokey Joe" stalwart is a Nielson "Scottish Pug" Tank. I know they produced it in a Caledonian (blue) livery, but the North British (hence LNER) also had them. In fact, the one surviving example is an NBR example. Oozes character - a couple of manufacturers sell kits for O and they are deservedly popular.

Richard

[will derbyshire]

i dont think i would go that far into the 1940's, but thanks for the infomation richard!
i have benn looking a little more into LNER trains avaliable to purchace, and i found B1 1189 'Sir William Gray'.
what where the B1's duties during the 1930's - 1940s?
I have also found a great choice of LNER trains on http://www.gaugemaster.com but ive not much of i idea which will suit the time period, Anyone got any ideas?

[52D]

In reply to Richards post above, dont forget the Austerity 0-6-0s were on loan to the LNER a while before they were actually taken into LNER stock and some of the others, for example those belonging to the ministry of power were often maintained at LNER depots. You could use these in exchange sidings or have a couple waddling around in WD livery and numbers.

Sir William Grey was not built until after the war and was shedded at Stockton in 1948. The earlier B!s were built during hostilitys and later carried antelope names. The nickname for the class Bongoes came from one of thiss batch.

[will derbyshire]

which war? the Great War (ww1) or World War Two?
i am currently looking into the other trains at http://www.gaugemaster.com

[richard]

World War 2.

Another LNER type was the V1/V3 2-6-2T tank engines. They would been on things like suburban and branchline services. Gresley design - in fact, anything "Gresley" is going to be pre-1942.

Another Gresley tank was the N2 (Hornby again) - built in the late years of the GNR but used as an LNER standard type for suburban services, especially North of London and in West Yorkshire.

For general goods, you can't go wrong with the J39 (Bachmann) - the standard LNER 0-6-0 goods loco (although a lot of much older types lasted a very long time - in some cases outlasting the J39s!)

This site has a page for each and every class that served with the LNER - try looking around. You might also find some that you like the look of.

The manufacturers will never produce everything RTR, so once you've started to put your railway together, I would recommend you start getting into a bit of modelling and modification. The brass stuff you see posted here might be very daunting, but you don't have to start there (or go that far!). Something simple like a repaint (the DES1 would make a good beginner's project in any scale!) or renumbering is a good place to start. Then try one of the simpler kits or super-detailing kits.


Richard

[will derbyshire]

i wasnt planning on having a electric-diesels on my model railway, however i suppose i could give it a go. Unless i get a few of the LNER steam shunters and renumber them so they are all different.
what do you think?

[richard]

It seems like J94s are usually sold in BR, NCB, or private owner liveries. For some reason the LNER livery is less common - so they would be another opportunity. As with the DES1, you need all black - ie. an easy repaint with a suitable spray can!


Richard

[52D]

LNER J94s had detail differences to the industrial version so make sure you work from photographs. Extra steps were fitted and also check the brake gear.