Researching Excursion Trains for Clayton

[jwealleans]

The wagons in question were marked 'Clayton' only. I expect the 'Return To...' instruction would be more specific, but not legible on the pictures I was looking at.

I'd have been surprised if something that major had been missed, but there's always the possibility of new information.

[Chris-GNR]

Chris hasn't been in-touch directly, and I cannot help very much but here goes.

The photo at Horton is of B6 5052. I believe the first two carriages in this train, probably only a portion of the whole excursion, are GN stock and I suspect they are of semi-open types. The first is possibly a Diagram 258 semi open brake third and the second a Diagram 219 semi open third, after that things are not clear enough to comment.

I will give the other photo some thought if I can find a better copy.

John

I have been looking up GN Section Excursion workings, of which the LNER Society has a few copies. Some Halifax and Keighley excursions combined at Queensbury and in a couple of cases are shown as 2 carriages from Keighley and 3 from Halifax, if this is the case in the Horton photo there will be another brake carriage at the rear of this train. I cannot date the photo precisely, except that it is after 8-1930, when 'LNER' moved to the tender and before the loco moved to Sheffield in 1934.
By 1936 excursion trains have LNER 64 seat open thirds in the formation, the formation in the photo will not have these and I don't think there is a steel D28 in there either, too many vents on show and all have full footboards, so it is most likely that the whole train is GN stock and probably of similar types to the leading vehicles, so perhaps 2 more semi-open thirds and a semi-open brake third at the rear.

A bit speculative, but the best I can do.

John

John, I bow to your excellent & very impressive knowledge of these things. Thank you.

I've been looking on the Wizard Models site to see what is available to best replicate this excursion stock & there are a few GNR diagrams available from the RDEB brand.

- Dia 164F Corridor Comp
- Dia 220 Semi Open 3rd
- Dia 248 A or E Open 3rd
- Dia 257 Corridor Brake 3rd

There are also a few GNR/NE joint diagrams & some other GNR diagrams available but these are described as 'Sheffield Stock'(?). I'm a bit lost in this world of passenger stock research so don't fully know what would potentially be appropriate if at all from these options. But, going by what you've said (if I've understood correctly) the four diagrams above available via Wizard could, with a dash of modellers licence be used to make up the required excursion stock?

Thanks again John & others for assisting with this.

Cheers
Chris

[jwealleans]

Chris, you might also check the lists on Bill Bedford's website to see whether he might etch up sides for any of the other diagrams.

[JASd17]

Hi Chris,

The D220 is ideal, not too different from the D219.

An Open Third is a possible too.

I can talk to Rupert Brown (RDEB) to see if he has any plans to do a semi-open brake third of any kind, he might be able to help.

I suppose Frank did etches for the rigid 8-wheeler and the Quint sets, I wonder if we are nice to him he could do a GN D258 or 284/5? If Rupert or BB cannot help.

John