"Grantham - The Streamliner Years"
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For those whose patience hasn't been exhausted yet, Chris' photos from Day 3 at York, by which time we'd probably just about got the hang of it all again. These must have been taken over a fairly extended stay in front of the layout as they cover several moves. Hopefully I can remember what's supposed to be going on and you'll be able to follow.
One of the less expected stars of the show from an operating point of view was 3465, a NuCast O2/2 converted into an O1. A fortuitous find at Pontefract Show in January, it had nothing more than a clean and service and was brought along on trial rather than with any real expectation. It performed pretty well faultlessly over the dead frogs for a loco with no tender pickups (yet) and I suspect has leapt straight into the permanent roster. It did see service on the down mineral empties, which is the usual working for locos I want to try out, but here is taking the Iron Ore empties back to High D y k e.
In Platform 4, J5 3027 awaiting departure to Lincoln and Boston with a short train of older Howlden stock. 3027 is a London Road Models kit and one I very much enjoyed building.
On Platform 5 an arrival from Derby and Nottingham. J39 1273 has just detached and will proceed to depot for turning and servicing. This and the other Bachmann J39 we have never cease to amaze me - they still have their original split chassis mechanisms with no additional pickups and work reliably show after show. They are thoroughly cleaned between shows and every so often I strip them right down and clean the axles and keeps. I suspect that's probably why they still work so well, despite both being bought second hand.
Looking further right, towards London, an A3 waiting to relieve an Up express. Beyond it the end of a goods for Peterborough, which I think means we're fairly well through the sequence here. I can pick out C1 3251 in the old shed and bottom right is one of the High D y k e O4s, 6229 or 6246, having turned and getting ready to leave the shed and resume its journey north.
I included this picture not only for Graham's signals and North Box and part of Paul's townscape behind, but for the partial shot of the other Eric Fry loco we had on loan, the 'neverwazza' P10 2-8-2 tank engine. It's identical to a V1/3 above the running plate but with very different frames and motion. I believe this loco was built by the late David Steinle. We didn't run it but had it on show for the duration. It made an interesting contract with the usual north end pilot, a J54 built for us by the late Caroline Middleditch.
Almost the same scene, but 1273 has now reversed out onto the viaduct and then returned down the shed road. This was a Lincoln loco in the 1930s and I worked from a picture showing it well bulled up on shed. It has yet to have the detailing which these Bachmann models benefit from and I do have to point out that after 10 years I still have not completed the 3500 gallon GS tender which it should tow. Appalling lack of effort.
Down at the south end we can now see that the relieving engine is a local resident, Robert the Devil. Tom Foster weathered this engine and made his usual outstanding job of it. To the bottom of the picture, C12 4529 is south end pilot and across the bottom can be seen the loaded wagons from High D y k e, bound for Scunthorpe.
Back on the shed, but the new shed building, C1 4432 (DJH), A1 2550 Blink Bonny, a Grantham resident and beyond them K3 227 from York, identifiable by the Hulburd water treatment/heating gear it carried until about 1940. This is a Bachmann model with an SEF tender. 4432 was a lockdown ebay buy with a very tatty paint job: it turned out to have a big Portescap and now repainted and packed with lead it will pull anything a Pacific will manage. I have had up to 16 kit built carriages behind it, but that was probably just showing off.
Panning left to the old shed, 1273 is now almost turned and ready to return whence it came. The incoming O4 on the High D y k e service can be seen. There were no turning facilities on the branch, so engines went up chimney first and then returned tender first as far as Grantham, where they stopped and turned. In this case it looks as though whatever unidentifiable O4 this is will be relieved. An equally unidentifiable J6 (one of my NuCast ones) is just backing down to the coaling stage. In the background 3465 is turning onto the Up relief road, so the up and down High D y k e workings are visible together. The engine will run just past the Great North Road bridge at the south end and then stop to water.
1273 has turned and is now backing down to coal and water.
A wider view of the new shed, with C2 3254 (DJH, by Tony Wright) in evidence. I was looking for this loco at the weekend as it managed to shuttle in and out of north fiddle without ever crossing my eyeline in the three days. Behind it another J6, not one of mine so I can't identify it. The A4 waiting to move back up the shed is Commonwealth of Australia, one of the two Coronation A4s we had for the weekend. At the rear, where we started, the Up High D y k e which looks to be making its water stop.
One of the less expected stars of the show from an operating point of view was 3465, a NuCast O2/2 converted into an O1. A fortuitous find at Pontefract Show in January, it had nothing more than a clean and service and was brought along on trial rather than with any real expectation. It performed pretty well faultlessly over the dead frogs for a loco with no tender pickups (yet) and I suspect has leapt straight into the permanent roster. It did see service on the down mineral empties, which is the usual working for locos I want to try out, but here is taking the Iron Ore empties back to High D y k e.
In Platform 4, J5 3027 awaiting departure to Lincoln and Boston with a short train of older Howlden stock. 3027 is a London Road Models kit and one I very much enjoyed building.
On Platform 5 an arrival from Derby and Nottingham. J39 1273 has just detached and will proceed to depot for turning and servicing. This and the other Bachmann J39 we have never cease to amaze me - they still have their original split chassis mechanisms with no additional pickups and work reliably show after show. They are thoroughly cleaned between shows and every so often I strip them right down and clean the axles and keeps. I suspect that's probably why they still work so well, despite both being bought second hand.
Looking further right, towards London, an A3 waiting to relieve an Up express. Beyond it the end of a goods for Peterborough, which I think means we're fairly well through the sequence here. I can pick out C1 3251 in the old shed and bottom right is one of the High D y k e O4s, 6229 or 6246, having turned and getting ready to leave the shed and resume its journey north.
I included this picture not only for Graham's signals and North Box and part of Paul's townscape behind, but for the partial shot of the other Eric Fry loco we had on loan, the 'neverwazza' P10 2-8-2 tank engine. It's identical to a V1/3 above the running plate but with very different frames and motion. I believe this loco was built by the late David Steinle. We didn't run it but had it on show for the duration. It made an interesting contract with the usual north end pilot, a J54 built for us by the late Caroline Middleditch.
Almost the same scene, but 1273 has now reversed out onto the viaduct and then returned down the shed road. This was a Lincoln loco in the 1930s and I worked from a picture showing it well bulled up on shed. It has yet to have the detailing which these Bachmann models benefit from and I do have to point out that after 10 years I still have not completed the 3500 gallon GS tender which it should tow. Appalling lack of effort.
Down at the south end we can now see that the relieving engine is a local resident, Robert the Devil. Tom Foster weathered this engine and made his usual outstanding job of it. To the bottom of the picture, C12 4529 is south end pilot and across the bottom can be seen the loaded wagons from High D y k e, bound for Scunthorpe.
Back on the shed, but the new shed building, C1 4432 (DJH), A1 2550 Blink Bonny, a Grantham resident and beyond them K3 227 from York, identifiable by the Hulburd water treatment/heating gear it carried until about 1940. This is a Bachmann model with an SEF tender. 4432 was a lockdown ebay buy with a very tatty paint job: it turned out to have a big Portescap and now repainted and packed with lead it will pull anything a Pacific will manage. I have had up to 16 kit built carriages behind it, but that was probably just showing off.
Panning left to the old shed, 1273 is now almost turned and ready to return whence it came. The incoming O4 on the High D y k e service can be seen. There were no turning facilities on the branch, so engines went up chimney first and then returned tender first as far as Grantham, where they stopped and turned. In this case it looks as though whatever unidentifiable O4 this is will be relieved. An equally unidentifiable J6 (one of my NuCast ones) is just backing down to the coaling stage. In the background 3465 is turning onto the Up relief road, so the up and down High D y k e workings are visible together. The engine will run just past the Great North Road bridge at the south end and then stop to water.
1273 has turned and is now backing down to coal and water.
A wider view of the new shed, with C2 3254 (DJH, by Tony Wright) in evidence. I was looking for this loco at the weekend as it managed to shuttle in and out of north fiddle without ever crossing my eyeline in the three days. Behind it another J6, not one of mine so I can't identify it. The A4 waiting to move back up the shed is Commonwealth of Australia, one of the two Coronation A4s we had for the weekend. At the rear, where we started, the Up High D y k e which looks to be making its water stop.
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All these photos really wet my appetite Jonathan!
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G'Day Gents
Agreed, something to 'Drool' over.
manna
Agreed, something to 'Drool' over.
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I hope you've got your controller fingers in training, Andrew. I think Graham is expecting to give you your money's worth.
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And there I was, trying not to spoil the surprise for him...
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I was up at Graham's this weekend testing some more engines in preparation for Bristol show. Part of the layout has been up for repairs to some of the electrical systems which were troublesome at York. That gives a chance to run and fettle a few of the newer acquisitions outside the pressure and glare of a show.
Speaking of which...
I spotted this on Ebay a couple of weeks ago and not being able to resist a C1, came away with it. No idea of age or provenance, sadly, but Tony Wright on RMWeb reckoned the motor might be 70 years old, so that may give an idea of how long it's been part built. It's a lovely piece of mainly scratchbuilding and deserves to be finished.
Unsurprisingly it didn't care much for slow running over dead frog points, but was very happy galloping up and down the main line so it'll get a run out at Bristol just as it is here. A reminder to readers at that end of the country that this might well be your last chance to see Grantham. We'll also have Andrew (Woodcock29) with us for a couple of days, which everyone is looking forward to.
Speaking of which...
I spotted this on Ebay a couple of weeks ago and not being able to resist a C1, came away with it. No idea of age or provenance, sadly, but Tony Wright on RMWeb reckoned the motor might be 70 years old, so that may give an idea of how long it's been part built. It's a lovely piece of mainly scratchbuilding and deserves to be finished.
Unsurprisingly it didn't care much for slow running over dead frog points, but was very happy galloping up and down the main line so it'll get a run out at Bristol just as it is here. A reminder to readers at that end of the country that this might well be your last chance to see Grantham. We'll also have Andrew (Woodcock29) with us for a couple of days, which everyone is looking forward to.
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Thank you for posting these, Grantham is definitely on my list of layouts I want to see in person, but I couldn't make it up to York.jwealleans wrote: ↑Sat Apr 06, 2024 6:38 pm For those whose patience hasn't been exhausted yet, Chris' photos from Day 3 at York
I don't suppose there is a published list of appearances?
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Jim, it's in Graham's signature block on RMWeb if you look through the Grantham thread on there. At the moment it's Bristol weekend after next and Newcastle over Remembrance weekend. After that, Abingdon next March and I believe GETS in Milton Keynes in October 2025 is currently its last booking. That remains subject to change, of course, if other exhibition managers come knocking.
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Thanks Jwealleans, I'll have a look on RMWeb and keep any eye out!
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Grantham was at Bristol over last weekend at what was (for me, as a first time visitor) a large and very high quality show. Very good to see and chat to Morgan, whom I haven't crossed paths with for far too long. i hope any other readers who saw us enjoyed both the layout and the show. We had quite a leisurely setup compared to the usual pre-show scramble and it was spread over two days (Thursday afternoon and Friday morning) so it all felt much more relaxed than it has on many other occasions. We had time for a spot of indulgence:
https://youtu.be/V2F_-dlJnIc?si=AcmEwMGxwj9pLDxV
I had planned to run this during the last hour of the show when we pack up, but having no ballast in it at all it couldn't move any trains, so we sent it out on test during the setup. I'm very much hoping to have it completed for Newcastle in November.
Friday morning, then, back into the swing of it...
We were very pleased to be joined by Andrew, Woodcock29 of this parish. He took to the layout like a natural and certainly justified his selection.
I'm not sure what guidance my good lady was offering here.
I'm afraid I have a complete mental block about where those coal wagons start and always end up with them in the wrong road.
But hey, who cares? Tom's not here so we'll put out an extra few dozen wagons to shunt with.
Steve keeps coming back, despite the rest of us. I'm not sure about that mixed train he seems to be making up there, though.
I'm not sure what happened when Roy pressed that.....
Once the show opened, as you can tell, we were flat out the whole afternoon and evening....
Both the blue pointy ones seem to be out and running, though, so we were obviously entertaining the masses. Afterwards we retired to a nearby establishment.
Would you buy a used A4 from any of these men?
https://youtu.be/V2F_-dlJnIc?si=AcmEwMGxwj9pLDxV
I had planned to run this during the last hour of the show when we pack up, but having no ballast in it at all it couldn't move any trains, so we sent it out on test during the setup. I'm very much hoping to have it completed for Newcastle in November.
Friday morning, then, back into the swing of it...
We were very pleased to be joined by Andrew, Woodcock29 of this parish. He took to the layout like a natural and certainly justified his selection.
I'm not sure what guidance my good lady was offering here.
I'm afraid I have a complete mental block about where those coal wagons start and always end up with them in the wrong road.
But hey, who cares? Tom's not here so we'll put out an extra few dozen wagons to shunt with.
Steve keeps coming back, despite the rest of us. I'm not sure about that mixed train he seems to be making up there, though.
I'm not sure what happened when Roy pressed that.....
Once the show opened, as you can tell, we were flat out the whole afternoon and evening....
Both the blue pointy ones seem to be out and running, though, so we were obviously entertaining the masses. Afterwards we retired to a nearby establishment.
Would you buy a used A4 from any of these men?
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Saturday morning rolled around and having had no better offers, it was back to the show. I like to record a general view of the layout for posterity and by the time I got set up to do this one, the Rapido boys were there with their goodies. They'd asked if they could photograph the new single and the J52 on the layout.
No-one can resist a Single, although the one I already have will remain single, I'm afraid. A chance for everyone else who missed them last time around to catch one. Mine has been a faultless performer at every show we've done and there can't be many weathered ones about. I only know of one other who's been daft enough to do it.
Andrew had brought with him this based-on-a-Ks J3. Readers of the Little Bytham thread on RMWeb will already have seen it performing there. I'd spotted the replacement Stirling tender (from LRM) but I didn't look underneath where it has the Mainly Trains J52 frames.
It mainly (exclusively?) worked the Ambergate trip and performed beautifully all the time we had it.
I started to do my usual survey of what was out the front, but was interrupted fairly quickly. I did see this trio of Atlantics in the shed. We had a bit of a game with the Atlantics: there are 8 GN ones in all (not counting the brass one) of which 7 are C1s and one a C2. One C1 (3251, in the background here) is reserved for the Leicester set as it has tension lock couplings. One (4432) is a heavy hauler and works turn and turn about with the Pacifics, so should not really ever come on shed. Of the remaining 6, 4401 failed on Saturday and is still awaiting works, but there should still have been 5 in traffic. By Saturday afternoon we had not a one round the back and were really scratching around for suitable locos. By mid-morning Sunday I think we had all of them again, yet that was a further one and a half times round the sequence. It's a bit odd and just as well I acquired all those K3s during lockdown.
Just a little left, the north end pilot caught in mid-move when we stopped on Friday evening. Graham and I, with others, have the sad task of disposing of Caroline Middleditch's railway collection so it's nice to see a small reminder of what a good modeller she could be.
Chris H posted another selection of views from Saturday on Flickr, so if there's no objection I'll add a few of those here:
The shed looks fairly empty here, nothing moving up or down and nothing on the main lines. 4217 is largely a static exhibit these days, being used for track testing in the main. I think the J6 is 3622, a NuCast one I acquired last year. I'm guessing the A4 is 4466 Herring Gull just on the length of the nameplate (Gadwall would be the other contender). It looks like a Tom Foster weathering job so it has to be one of those two.
Chris has then turned left to look at the shed throat and the queue of engines waiting to depart. The A4 is Osprey, one of the two allocated to Grantham. I think that one is a detailed Bachmann model. 6229 will probably be going to pick up the down (loaded) High D y k e working you can see in the previous picture and 4114 will probably be going on another trip to Ambergate.
Moving down towards the Great North Road bridge, it looks as though the incoming empty Ambergate wagons are being dealt with. Below the shunter there's been a mishap and a job for the scenery team at Newcastle. Some movement on the main line, though: K3 4005 has the up Aberdeen perishables passing the stabled Leicester set. I didn't recall that 4005 had worked this train as well. it usually alternates on the Scotch Goods with 4771. 4005 is from an SEF kit with the GN cab and was painted by Larry Goddard.
I've skipped a little way here: we're back at the shed throat and 2548 Galtee More has just come off a Leeds train and is coming on shed. Atlantic 3275 has also appeared, most likely off the quad set which can be seen in Platform 5.
A few moments later, Galtee More has vanished, most likely out of shot to the left in order to get onto the turntable. 4494 has not yet moved, but behind it 4114 has, as predicted, picked up the Ambergate trip and is getting ready to depart. Above the brake van, the Atlantic which was in the south end loco spur has crossed over and is backing down onto the quad set to take it Up towards Peterborough. In front of 3276 is another C1 which we haven't seen much, 3272. This one is ex-Hitchin, scratchbuilt at King's Cross Models and after some fettling has turned into a reliable performer. It's had a replacement motor and gearbox from High Level (one of the big coreless ones) and been festooned with pickups. I just need to sort out the loco/tender coupling and it'll be done.
Let's finish with this lovely shot Rob Allen kindly posted on RMWeb of 2752 Spion Kop in the Down loco spur. This is one of mine, based on a Hornby NRM 4472, weathered in the Tom Foster manner and a bit of a favourite. Am I the only one who thinks that the NRM A3s are generally better performers than the normal range ones?
No-one can resist a Single, although the one I already have will remain single, I'm afraid. A chance for everyone else who missed them last time around to catch one. Mine has been a faultless performer at every show we've done and there can't be many weathered ones about. I only know of one other who's been daft enough to do it.
Andrew had brought with him this based-on-a-Ks J3. Readers of the Little Bytham thread on RMWeb will already have seen it performing there. I'd spotted the replacement Stirling tender (from LRM) but I didn't look underneath where it has the Mainly Trains J52 frames.
It mainly (exclusively?) worked the Ambergate trip and performed beautifully all the time we had it.
I started to do my usual survey of what was out the front, but was interrupted fairly quickly. I did see this trio of Atlantics in the shed. We had a bit of a game with the Atlantics: there are 8 GN ones in all (not counting the brass one) of which 7 are C1s and one a C2. One C1 (3251, in the background here) is reserved for the Leicester set as it has tension lock couplings. One (4432) is a heavy hauler and works turn and turn about with the Pacifics, so should not really ever come on shed. Of the remaining 6, 4401 failed on Saturday and is still awaiting works, but there should still have been 5 in traffic. By Saturday afternoon we had not a one round the back and were really scratching around for suitable locos. By mid-morning Sunday I think we had all of them again, yet that was a further one and a half times round the sequence. It's a bit odd and just as well I acquired all those K3s during lockdown.
Just a little left, the north end pilot caught in mid-move when we stopped on Friday evening. Graham and I, with others, have the sad task of disposing of Caroline Middleditch's railway collection so it's nice to see a small reminder of what a good modeller she could be.
Chris H posted another selection of views from Saturday on Flickr, so if there's no objection I'll add a few of those here:
The shed looks fairly empty here, nothing moving up or down and nothing on the main lines. 4217 is largely a static exhibit these days, being used for track testing in the main. I think the J6 is 3622, a NuCast one I acquired last year. I'm guessing the A4 is 4466 Herring Gull just on the length of the nameplate (Gadwall would be the other contender). It looks like a Tom Foster weathering job so it has to be one of those two.
Chris has then turned left to look at the shed throat and the queue of engines waiting to depart. The A4 is Osprey, one of the two allocated to Grantham. I think that one is a detailed Bachmann model. 6229 will probably be going to pick up the down (loaded) High D y k e working you can see in the previous picture and 4114 will probably be going on another trip to Ambergate.
Moving down towards the Great North Road bridge, it looks as though the incoming empty Ambergate wagons are being dealt with. Below the shunter there's been a mishap and a job for the scenery team at Newcastle. Some movement on the main line, though: K3 4005 has the up Aberdeen perishables passing the stabled Leicester set. I didn't recall that 4005 had worked this train as well. it usually alternates on the Scotch Goods with 4771. 4005 is from an SEF kit with the GN cab and was painted by Larry Goddard.
I've skipped a little way here: we're back at the shed throat and 2548 Galtee More has just come off a Leeds train and is coming on shed. Atlantic 3275 has also appeared, most likely off the quad set which can be seen in Platform 5.
A few moments later, Galtee More has vanished, most likely out of shot to the left in order to get onto the turntable. 4494 has not yet moved, but behind it 4114 has, as predicted, picked up the Ambergate trip and is getting ready to depart. Above the brake van, the Atlantic which was in the south end loco spur has crossed over and is backing down onto the quad set to take it Up towards Peterborough. In front of 3276 is another C1 which we haven't seen much, 3272. This one is ex-Hitchin, scratchbuilt at King's Cross Models and after some fettling has turned into a reliable performer. It's had a replacement motor and gearbox from High Level (one of the big coreless ones) and been festooned with pickups. I just need to sort out the loco/tender coupling and it'll be done.
Let's finish with this lovely shot Rob Allen kindly posted on RMWeb of 2752 Spion Kop in the Down loco spur. This is one of mine, based on a Hornby NRM 4472, weathered in the Tom Foster manner and a bit of a favourite. Am I the only one who thinks that the NRM A3s are generally better performers than the normal range ones?
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Good day all on a sunny day in Surrey,
I was intending to visit Bristol to see Grantham, but rail problems on the Branch (Redhill-Guildford-Reading) led me to cancelling the trip. I don't like driving distances these days. The same happened when Grantham was a Fareham last year. I think the powers up above don't want to see Grantham again.
I am planning to use my next visit to Grantham as a loco-spotters excursion. I was like a schoolboy collecting numbers (in this case types) for long periods, the last time I saw Grantham.
Abingdon is a possibility in March 2025, but not Newcastle in November.
Best wishes to all involved,
Malcolm
I was intending to visit Bristol to see Grantham, but rail problems on the Branch (Redhill-Guildford-Reading) led me to cancelling the trip. I don't like driving distances these days. The same happened when Grantham was a Fareham last year. I think the powers up above don't want to see Grantham again.
I am planning to use my next visit to Grantham as a loco-spotters excursion. I was like a schoolboy collecting numbers (in this case types) for long periods, the last time I saw Grantham.
Abingdon is a possibility in March 2025, but not Newcastle in November.
Best wishes to all involved,
Malcolm
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Great write-up Jonathan and it certainly looks like you all had a great time and some excellent running! You're right about the show - we went last year for the first time and enjoyed it very much.
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As I mentioned in my thread, we made the short trip to Newcastle at the weekend. A show I have enjoyed as a visitor in the past and in a decent venue with excellent catering. As a visitor, I’d have been delighted with this year’s offering – in the hall with us were South Pelaw and Fencehouses, quite apart from the other layouts and the other halls. A really top quality show.
Here we are all set up on Saturday morning and awaiting the masses. I’m still getting to grips with the new camera, so here are a few views regular readers may have seen before as I familiarised myself with it.
Newcastle show is always on Remembrance Weekend - which was impeccably observed this year – and so it seemed highly appropriate to place Valour in a prominent position for the duration. The poppy headboard was produced by Fox in 2018 for the Armistice centennial commemoration.
Just behind and below Valour, the steam engine works under the viaduct.
A large part of the operation of the layout are the loco changes. Longtime local resident Robert the Devil will start the weekend on the shed exit road ready to pick up an Up express at some point fairly early in the sequence. The excellent weathering is by Tom Foster.
The south end of the station. Some really nice detail here and John Smart’s lovely horsebox, dominated by ‘Black Bess’, somewhat cleaner in this prewar era. In the background an unidentifiable A3 (actually Grantham’s own Tracery) is ready for the first Up loco change of the weekend.
Just off the platform end, the south end pilot, built by Tony Wright and the recently refurbished gas tank. Although Gresley was very keen on anthracite for kitchen cars, gas remained a very common fuel and was also needed for lighting many of the older carriages.
Just a little further south, 7515 is ready to start the shuttle to Ambergate (the off-scene coal yard) with some wagons belonging to local merchants. It and J211806 will spend all weekend doing this.
I’m not passing up the chance to photograph some wagons and we can also look at Paul Bolton’s monumental Granary building. I made the ex-ROD open, now working for the Societe Belgo-Anglaise des Ferry-Boats, a long time before someone gave Bachmann the idea.
No apology for another picture of this wagon either, it’s one of the most distinctive in the shunting stock. It’s an LNWR glass wagons from Bill Bedford. Given the rather delicate nature of the superstructure it would be one of the vehicles I would most worry about in transit, but it’s stood up to it very well so far. I have recently had to repair the load retaining chains, but the wagon itself has not been a problem. To the left a Cambrian D1666, I think and to the right an unfitted LNER van made using a Parkside body on (probably) a scratchbuilt underframe. You can also use the underframe from the Cambrian LNER open to make the same vehicle.
Down past the factory (isn’t that a song?), under the Great North Road bridge is where 6049 often starts the weekend with a recessed Peterborough – Grantham goods. This train works in a couple of times in the sequence, sets back and is then shunted a few moves later. You also have the bonus of a close up of one of Graham’s incredibly delicate working signals.
That was all I had time for before the show; the next few were taken when the show got quiet in the last hour on Saturday afternoon. Some are taken from inside the layout, some when we had almost no-one on the barriers and I could get round without getting in anyone’s way.
4329 above is waiting to set off to somewhere like Burton-on-Trent. It’s almost directly behind where we looked at 4479 earlier. The triplet set behind is from a set of etches Tony Wright gave me which we think were from the 1970s. They were by a chap called David Gray, about whom I’ve been able to find nothing. There were two sets of etches issued which could make up either single vehicles or a twin or triplet. Neither was to an authentic diagram, however so in the end I stole a carriage from an almost equally elderly etch and made a correct set. It was the very early days of etching and there was no beading, just half etched grooves round the panels which I had to fill with plastic strip. Mallard Gresley carriages were very similar.
Also from inside the layout, 3523 either coming on or going off shed. Locos have to run right out on the viaduct to get sufficiently far up the ladder of points to access the platforms. This is a London Road Models kit as it’s the 521 variant (one of the first batch of J6s), the longer cab being the obvious giveaway.
From outside the layout now, 3554 (NuCast) shows the 536 variety of J6 which was by far the most common. This was Gresley’s revision of Ivatt’s design. It’s waiting in the Up goods loop to take a freight to Peterborough.
Back at the North end of the platforms, 3272 swings into view with the Up Scarborough Flyer. This was most probably a pacific working by 1937, but who can resist a C1? 3272 is an interesting model: it was scratchbuilt at King’s Cross Models by a chap called Mike Shepard and ran on Bert Collins’ Hitchin layout until that was broken up. I was then lucky enough to acquire it and with a new mechanism and some tlc it now works on Grantham. The carriage set comprises many of the GN diagrams which made up this service in the early part of the 1930s and has been built by Roy Mears.
Now we’ve moved back towards the viaduct, we find that 3523 has come onto the same cross-country service we saw behind 4329 above. By squinting you can tell from the roofboards that the Scarborough Flyer is just passing behind it on the Up Main.
On Sunday I was in early. Having taken a handful of locos home for repair, the night before, I wanted to try them out before everyone turned up on Sunday.
Gadwall had jumped out of mesh on Saturday – I found that a motor wire had got between motor and gear tower, pushing the motor back about half a mil, which was enough to allow it to move up and out of its housing. Suitably admonished and put back into place, it then strolled round the layout with the 13 car Flying Scotsman set.
4469 is now only remembered by a few as the unfortunate engine destroyed in what is now the Great Hall of the NRM. There was an article in a recent Gresley Observer (I think) reflecting on the turn of chance which has made 4468 the national treasure it has become, while the identical 4469 has vanished into obscurity. You can also reflect on the marvellous intricacy of another of the signals.
After testing (successfully) all the sicknotes from Saturday, I turned to a new loco which had been brought on a trial basis. 4323 is a NuCast D2 which I bought on Ebay several years ago and have been sporadically reworking since. It’s had a new mechanism and a repaint and did travel to Bristol, where we detected a slight tight spot so it went back into the box. I only got it out last week and fettled it, but I was advised that a capable 4-4-0 would be very welcome, so I brought it along. Just for daftness, I put it onto the FS set after I finished with Gadwall. It strolled away with it and glided round the layout with no real apparent effort and 13 on. To say I was chuffed is an understatement.
I did try to take some video, but the camera wasn’t playing ball at all so you’ll have to take my word for it for the moment. Here it is approaching the station from the south, about to overtake a High Dyke working which has paused for the loco to turn.
I’m one of those people who spends as much time looking at fiddle yards as scenic sections and I know others like to see what happens under the hood as well. So I took some views of the fiddle yard operating positions on Sunday morning so you can see a little of what we get up to. This is North end, which I haven’t operated for many a year, but which handles most of the cross country trains into and out of both main and Nottingham yards.
From the left, there’s a length of track which holds mineral locos – usually the O4s for the High Dyke but here 2437 which usually pulls the loaded coal train has been relieved and 5001 (in the right background) has that train. The O4s for the High Dyke working are turned on the shed, so they have to have Kadees front and rear.
Steve looks to be commendably well ahead of the game here with a lot of trains prepared and ready to go. The Director at the back is on the storage line for tension lock locos (I think that’s the Nottingham service). K3 153 in front and below has the Up perishables, 4494 Osprey has the Leeds-KX (a 5 car steel set with an extra van) and further right 4412 is the most heavily weathered of the C1s. Note also the coupling stick, indispensable round the back.
I then went down to my end. I have all the express passenger and streamline sets. Starting again at left, there’s a Coronation twin on its own, which means that the Mallard test train is set up an dcan be seen behind the Silver Jubilee. 2512 in all its unweathered splendour is ready to work the down Jubilee in due course; behind that is the Junior Scotsman set (ready to work a Glasgow-KX service) and the Scarborough Flyer set. Above the Scotch Goods can be seen the loco holding tracks: Green Arrow alternates with 4005 on the Scotch Goods and the rest rotate on the down mineral empties. I can see the Q1, there’s a K3 and O2 behind 4771 and in the background O1 3465 still has the train as it was the last repaired loco I tested on it. In front of the operating instructions and visor are the box of loco lamps, coupling stick and notebook for any repairs or work required.
Turning to my right, I also manage the sidings which run round the south end of the layout. Some of the less used sets live here. Working from front to back, looking over the Pullmans and parcels sets, the Leeds-KX is ready with Spion Kop attached. Above it 4498 has been taken off the Scotsman so that 4323 can be attached. At the rear No. 1 has the 1888 Scotsman set. If both these trains are ready then this must be Move 9, which ends with them side by side in the station.
Turning completely around, this is the main loco store where the larger locos are kept. Smaller goods engines have an area at North End, as I don’t have any need for them and it saves the operator having to walk.
Those who know how basic our sense of humour can get will not be surprised to hear that the space with the two P2s in it is known as the ‘Cock’ holding area. Beyond that the pacifics are grouped by shed. The running instructions will often specify a loco from a particular area and this is how we find them. At the far end an area for atlantics, K3s and 4-6-0s. Specific locos which we need to find are across the front in marked spaces – closest to the camera is the West Riding A4 spot, and Mallard lives a little further along.
When we set out, all the locos point the same way – usually chimney out, but it’s not important. What is important is that after running they go back the opposite way round, so we can see what’s been run and ensure everything gets a turn. Looking at this, there are two pacifics which may not have moved all day, which is quite feasible. They’ll be the first out today.
Beyond the coffin is the most important part of the whole operation, the bit where we keep the mugs and cake. That’s all some of us come along for, really.
Later ion Sunday afternoon and still flushed with its success, we tried 4323 on the High Dyke empties. This is a heavy train for its length as there are some persistently draggy wagons in the rake. It’s also, remarkably, completely prototypical – there’s a picture by Arthur Cawston of a D2 taking a set of hoppers south to High Dyke in the 1930s. Needless to say 4323 walked it.
We’re getting to the end of the sensible photos now. Before it all goes downhill, a couple I took for Roy Mears. Roy has retired from shows with us as it was getting a bit much for him. However he has very kindly continued to supply stock and locos which now travel with me.
3592 is a scratchbuild by the last John Edgson of Isinglass drawings fame. I have one of his scratchbuilt locos as well and they are things of beauty. Here it has worked in with the goods from Peterborough and I think was just about to set back into the lie by. The Cheshire Lines wagon above the cab is a bit of an anachronism by 1937, but is also scratchbuilt (by Peter Simmerson) and so it gets a pass.
I was especially pleased to have 4638 with us as it’s a Gresley K1, a loco which I think I’ve only seen modelled twice. Roy made this on the basis of a NuCast K2 kit, with parts supplied by Graeme King and a fair amount of scratch building. If you’re very pedantic, the wheelbase is a little out, but you’d have to look very hard to tell. 4638 was the last rebuilt to a K2, in 1938. Here it’s taking the up stock train from Holgate to Hornsey.
I commented earlier on John Smart’s horsebox in the south end bay. On Sunday it was absent, replaced by a GN banana van of a type extinct by 1924 (and unique when it existed as far as I know). This was in honour of the visit of Dave Sutton - Dave S in these parts - who produced the etches for it. Credit to Dave, he spotted it pretty well as soon as he appeared. It’s a gorgeous thing which just needs lettering to complete.
Now, you can only be sensible for so long. This was so long. On Sunday morning, they were back.
After a session posing against the factory, the Beaver was placed at the front of the layout to be admired, along with a scratchbuilt Hurst Nelson bogie bolster which Barry Oliver lends us. The Dick wandered: the sharp-eyed may already have spotted that I slipped it into a goods train a couple of pictures back. I think that might be the first time it’s actually run in a train.
Here we are all set up on Saturday morning and awaiting the masses. I’m still getting to grips with the new camera, so here are a few views regular readers may have seen before as I familiarised myself with it.
Newcastle show is always on Remembrance Weekend - which was impeccably observed this year – and so it seemed highly appropriate to place Valour in a prominent position for the duration. The poppy headboard was produced by Fox in 2018 for the Armistice centennial commemoration.
Just behind and below Valour, the steam engine works under the viaduct.
A large part of the operation of the layout are the loco changes. Longtime local resident Robert the Devil will start the weekend on the shed exit road ready to pick up an Up express at some point fairly early in the sequence. The excellent weathering is by Tom Foster.
The south end of the station. Some really nice detail here and John Smart’s lovely horsebox, dominated by ‘Black Bess’, somewhat cleaner in this prewar era. In the background an unidentifiable A3 (actually Grantham’s own Tracery) is ready for the first Up loco change of the weekend.
Just off the platform end, the south end pilot, built by Tony Wright and the recently refurbished gas tank. Although Gresley was very keen on anthracite for kitchen cars, gas remained a very common fuel and was also needed for lighting many of the older carriages.
Just a little further south, 7515 is ready to start the shuttle to Ambergate (the off-scene coal yard) with some wagons belonging to local merchants. It and J211806 will spend all weekend doing this.
I’m not passing up the chance to photograph some wagons and we can also look at Paul Bolton’s monumental Granary building. I made the ex-ROD open, now working for the Societe Belgo-Anglaise des Ferry-Boats, a long time before someone gave Bachmann the idea.
No apology for another picture of this wagon either, it’s one of the most distinctive in the shunting stock. It’s an LNWR glass wagons from Bill Bedford. Given the rather delicate nature of the superstructure it would be one of the vehicles I would most worry about in transit, but it’s stood up to it very well so far. I have recently had to repair the load retaining chains, but the wagon itself has not been a problem. To the left a Cambrian D1666, I think and to the right an unfitted LNER van made using a Parkside body on (probably) a scratchbuilt underframe. You can also use the underframe from the Cambrian LNER open to make the same vehicle.
Down past the factory (isn’t that a song?), under the Great North Road bridge is where 6049 often starts the weekend with a recessed Peterborough – Grantham goods. This train works in a couple of times in the sequence, sets back and is then shunted a few moves later. You also have the bonus of a close up of one of Graham’s incredibly delicate working signals.
That was all I had time for before the show; the next few were taken when the show got quiet in the last hour on Saturday afternoon. Some are taken from inside the layout, some when we had almost no-one on the barriers and I could get round without getting in anyone’s way.
4329 above is waiting to set off to somewhere like Burton-on-Trent. It’s almost directly behind where we looked at 4479 earlier. The triplet set behind is from a set of etches Tony Wright gave me which we think were from the 1970s. They were by a chap called David Gray, about whom I’ve been able to find nothing. There were two sets of etches issued which could make up either single vehicles or a twin or triplet. Neither was to an authentic diagram, however so in the end I stole a carriage from an almost equally elderly etch and made a correct set. It was the very early days of etching and there was no beading, just half etched grooves round the panels which I had to fill with plastic strip. Mallard Gresley carriages were very similar.
Also from inside the layout, 3523 either coming on or going off shed. Locos have to run right out on the viaduct to get sufficiently far up the ladder of points to access the platforms. This is a London Road Models kit as it’s the 521 variant (one of the first batch of J6s), the longer cab being the obvious giveaway.
From outside the layout now, 3554 (NuCast) shows the 536 variety of J6 which was by far the most common. This was Gresley’s revision of Ivatt’s design. It’s waiting in the Up goods loop to take a freight to Peterborough.
Back at the North end of the platforms, 3272 swings into view with the Up Scarborough Flyer. This was most probably a pacific working by 1937, but who can resist a C1? 3272 is an interesting model: it was scratchbuilt at King’s Cross Models by a chap called Mike Shepard and ran on Bert Collins’ Hitchin layout until that was broken up. I was then lucky enough to acquire it and with a new mechanism and some tlc it now works on Grantham. The carriage set comprises many of the GN diagrams which made up this service in the early part of the 1930s and has been built by Roy Mears.
Now we’ve moved back towards the viaduct, we find that 3523 has come onto the same cross-country service we saw behind 4329 above. By squinting you can tell from the roofboards that the Scarborough Flyer is just passing behind it on the Up Main.
On Sunday I was in early. Having taken a handful of locos home for repair, the night before, I wanted to try them out before everyone turned up on Sunday.
Gadwall had jumped out of mesh on Saturday – I found that a motor wire had got between motor and gear tower, pushing the motor back about half a mil, which was enough to allow it to move up and out of its housing. Suitably admonished and put back into place, it then strolled round the layout with the 13 car Flying Scotsman set.
4469 is now only remembered by a few as the unfortunate engine destroyed in what is now the Great Hall of the NRM. There was an article in a recent Gresley Observer (I think) reflecting on the turn of chance which has made 4468 the national treasure it has become, while the identical 4469 has vanished into obscurity. You can also reflect on the marvellous intricacy of another of the signals.
After testing (successfully) all the sicknotes from Saturday, I turned to a new loco which had been brought on a trial basis. 4323 is a NuCast D2 which I bought on Ebay several years ago and have been sporadically reworking since. It’s had a new mechanism and a repaint and did travel to Bristol, where we detected a slight tight spot so it went back into the box. I only got it out last week and fettled it, but I was advised that a capable 4-4-0 would be very welcome, so I brought it along. Just for daftness, I put it onto the FS set after I finished with Gadwall. It strolled away with it and glided round the layout with no real apparent effort and 13 on. To say I was chuffed is an understatement.
I did try to take some video, but the camera wasn’t playing ball at all so you’ll have to take my word for it for the moment. Here it is approaching the station from the south, about to overtake a High Dyke working which has paused for the loco to turn.
I’m one of those people who spends as much time looking at fiddle yards as scenic sections and I know others like to see what happens under the hood as well. So I took some views of the fiddle yard operating positions on Sunday morning so you can see a little of what we get up to. This is North end, which I haven’t operated for many a year, but which handles most of the cross country trains into and out of both main and Nottingham yards.
From the left, there’s a length of track which holds mineral locos – usually the O4s for the High Dyke but here 2437 which usually pulls the loaded coal train has been relieved and 5001 (in the right background) has that train. The O4s for the High Dyke working are turned on the shed, so they have to have Kadees front and rear.
Steve looks to be commendably well ahead of the game here with a lot of trains prepared and ready to go. The Director at the back is on the storage line for tension lock locos (I think that’s the Nottingham service). K3 153 in front and below has the Up perishables, 4494 Osprey has the Leeds-KX (a 5 car steel set with an extra van) and further right 4412 is the most heavily weathered of the C1s. Note also the coupling stick, indispensable round the back.
I then went down to my end. I have all the express passenger and streamline sets. Starting again at left, there’s a Coronation twin on its own, which means that the Mallard test train is set up an dcan be seen behind the Silver Jubilee. 2512 in all its unweathered splendour is ready to work the down Jubilee in due course; behind that is the Junior Scotsman set (ready to work a Glasgow-KX service) and the Scarborough Flyer set. Above the Scotch Goods can be seen the loco holding tracks: Green Arrow alternates with 4005 on the Scotch Goods and the rest rotate on the down mineral empties. I can see the Q1, there’s a K3 and O2 behind 4771 and in the background O1 3465 still has the train as it was the last repaired loco I tested on it. In front of the operating instructions and visor are the box of loco lamps, coupling stick and notebook for any repairs or work required.
Turning to my right, I also manage the sidings which run round the south end of the layout. Some of the less used sets live here. Working from front to back, looking over the Pullmans and parcels sets, the Leeds-KX is ready with Spion Kop attached. Above it 4498 has been taken off the Scotsman so that 4323 can be attached. At the rear No. 1 has the 1888 Scotsman set. If both these trains are ready then this must be Move 9, which ends with them side by side in the station.
Turning completely around, this is the main loco store where the larger locos are kept. Smaller goods engines have an area at North End, as I don’t have any need for them and it saves the operator having to walk.
Those who know how basic our sense of humour can get will not be surprised to hear that the space with the two P2s in it is known as the ‘Cock’ holding area. Beyond that the pacifics are grouped by shed. The running instructions will often specify a loco from a particular area and this is how we find them. At the far end an area for atlantics, K3s and 4-6-0s. Specific locos which we need to find are across the front in marked spaces – closest to the camera is the West Riding A4 spot, and Mallard lives a little further along.
When we set out, all the locos point the same way – usually chimney out, but it’s not important. What is important is that after running they go back the opposite way round, so we can see what’s been run and ensure everything gets a turn. Looking at this, there are two pacifics which may not have moved all day, which is quite feasible. They’ll be the first out today.
Beyond the coffin is the most important part of the whole operation, the bit where we keep the mugs and cake. That’s all some of us come along for, really.
Later ion Sunday afternoon and still flushed with its success, we tried 4323 on the High Dyke empties. This is a heavy train for its length as there are some persistently draggy wagons in the rake. It’s also, remarkably, completely prototypical – there’s a picture by Arthur Cawston of a D2 taking a set of hoppers south to High Dyke in the 1930s. Needless to say 4323 walked it.
We’re getting to the end of the sensible photos now. Before it all goes downhill, a couple I took for Roy Mears. Roy has retired from shows with us as it was getting a bit much for him. However he has very kindly continued to supply stock and locos which now travel with me.
3592 is a scratchbuild by the last John Edgson of Isinglass drawings fame. I have one of his scratchbuilt locos as well and they are things of beauty. Here it has worked in with the goods from Peterborough and I think was just about to set back into the lie by. The Cheshire Lines wagon above the cab is a bit of an anachronism by 1937, but is also scratchbuilt (by Peter Simmerson) and so it gets a pass.
I was especially pleased to have 4638 with us as it’s a Gresley K1, a loco which I think I’ve only seen modelled twice. Roy made this on the basis of a NuCast K2 kit, with parts supplied by Graeme King and a fair amount of scratch building. If you’re very pedantic, the wheelbase is a little out, but you’d have to look very hard to tell. 4638 was the last rebuilt to a K2, in 1938. Here it’s taking the up stock train from Holgate to Hornsey.
I commented earlier on John Smart’s horsebox in the south end bay. On Sunday it was absent, replaced by a GN banana van of a type extinct by 1924 (and unique when it existed as far as I know). This was in honour of the visit of Dave Sutton - Dave S in these parts - who produced the etches for it. Credit to Dave, he spotted it pretty well as soon as he appeared. It’s a gorgeous thing which just needs lettering to complete.
Now, you can only be sensible for so long. This was so long. On Sunday morning, they were back.
After a session posing against the factory, the Beaver was placed at the front of the layout to be admired, along with a scratchbuilt Hurst Nelson bogie bolster which Barry Oliver lends us. The Dick wandered: the sharp-eyed may already have spotted that I slipped it into a goods train a couple of pictures back. I think that might be the first time it’s actually run in a train.
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Great photos Jonathan, would have loved to have been there!
Chas