Automatic barriers at York station.

[BringBackGNER]

Very good point,Bring Back.The best thing they could do is LEAVE THINGS ALONE!

Agreed. There's too many good reasons not to have barriers in York. I think it'd spoil the look of the station as well as restricting access. The only reason they could possibly want to do this is so they can lay off most of their ticket inspectors.

But even if they don't allow platform tickets (and that would be such a shame for York) there's so many ways people can get through the barriers and not pay the full fare. The obvious one being buying a ticket from York to the closest station on the line (and select New Deal railcard for a further 50% off) and then if there's a barrier at the other station then do the same there.

Who needs weekends when everyday you can upgrade to first for free?

Even for the slightly more honest getting rid of ticket inspectors would effectively turn their advance purchase tickets into anytime tickets. Miss your train? Well try the ticket in the barriers anyway, if it opens then jump on the next train.

Grand Central aren't happy because you can buy their full range of turn up and go tickets on-board. But sometimes being able to buy on board had its advantages on NXEC too. If you're travelling at peak time and you arrive at the station with minutes to spare you could just jump on the train and buy a ticket. Even off peak, when you could get cheaper at the ticket office you still had the option to jump on board and pay full fare rather than wait for the next one.

So, keep the barriers away and keep the inspectors. The last thing the economy needs at the moment is more on the dole.

[Ferrybridge Flyer]

Yes i fully agree.Reading the various articles about this idiotic move-i truly think they are on a loser with this one.I hope so anyway.

[silver fox]

I don't know how they'd do it, there are 4 entrances in to the station,and the most important being from the car park, round on to platform 1 by the cycle racks and lost luggage.
Everyone will loose out, and for the likes of the scarboough spa express, this collects a lot of passing traffic normally in the york scarborough york section, and it will suffer greatly, there won't be the people thinking, let's just go, as they won't be there to just hop on and buy a ticket once their on!

[Ferrybridge Flyer]

It just seems that,once again,the wrong people are making decisions without giving it any prior thought.I like going on York Station to photograph the Steam specials,and i'm not on my own by a long way.Do they want to alienate us all?Shops such as WH Smiths will lose money-no railfans-no sales of rail books.Coffee shops and Burger King will lose trade too.It just seems with the incidents at various NXEC stations in the last 12 months that they just want rid of us.Well tough-i'm going nowhere fast!!

[silver fox]

it would leed to overcrowding at the smaller country stations as people are forced out!

[Ferrybridge Flyer]

Yeah,that would be a shame.I like Ulleskelf and Church Fenton as they are quiet,and you can pick your spot without too much bother!Same with Hensall on the main line.

[silver fox]

Also the NRM would loose out greatly, as when there is a good train leaving York, they come from all over to see it, and if they can't gat on the station, they won't see the train, and then pop in to the NRM afterwards and maybe buy a suvoneir!

[Ferrybridge Flyer]

My point exactly-here's hoping the full weight of the NRM is against this idiotic move.

[Ferrybridge Flyer]

According to the "Railway Magazine" NXEC are now having a re-think about putting the barriers in at York.I think they have been taken by surprise at the amount of bad press this stupid idea has brought them.

[Tom Quayle]

When it comes to these barriers I have my own personal answer it called a PTS

[Bullhead]

When it comes to these barriers I have my own personal answer it called a PTS

Even in a Red Zone Prohibited area, like the vast majority of stations?

[Rlangham]

Although I try to keep myself fairly in the know with modern railways as I use them a lot, a lot of stuff goes right over my head, could someone explain the term PTS and red zone prohibited area please?

Cheers, Rob

[hq1hitchin]

Although I try to keep myself fairly in the know with modern railways as I use them a lot, a lot of stuff goes right over my head, could someone explain the term PTS and red zone prohibited area please?

Cheers, Rob

PTS = Personal Track Safety certificate, only awarded after the individual has taken the course and passed an exam.
Basically, Red zone means you are allowed on or near the line when trains are running, subject to suitable precautions such as appointing lookouts etc. Red Zone prohibited applies to large chunks of the busier railway such as, shall we say, the approaches to Kings X and that would need to be a Green Zone area, where access on or about the line must be pre-planned and can only be undertaken when no trains are running and, probably, running lines blocked to traffic, obviously the safest option. As for individuals wandering about the line just to take photographs, I would have taken a dim view of it and it could lead to the individual's PTS card being withdrawn. Sad, in a way, but that's the way it is. No bonus points for a gricer getting knocked down by a train, no matter how clever he may think he is

[Bullhead]

Specifically, in platform lines you could not reach the prescribed position of safety (scrabbling hysterically up the platform wall is forbidden) - so they're RZP.

[Tom Quayle]

Red Zone Prohiderted areas
-Tunnels
-Limited clearance bridges
-Viaducts, Bridges - can be worked on with one line blocked (seperated/un fenced green zone)
-Between 2 Platforms can be worked on with one line blocked (seperated/un fenced green zone)
-Around complex S and C
-Where sighting distance for line speed is not avalible

The main thing is that there are jobs that can be done off the end of a platform and York station is in the sectional apendix as a offical access. The platform closest to the NRM and northern end centre bay can be worked red zone due to 4ft 4 clearance to possition of safety