NER Clerestory carriage kits

[Graeme Leary]

I am endeavouring to replicate, I understand, a fairly typical NE suburban/rural branch line train in anticipation of TMC's announced release of their G5 later in the year.

A 4 carriage set that d17 has forwarded to me comprises:
Diagram 18 BT (3) - Diagram 14 T - Diagram 5 Lavatory Composite - Diagram 18 BT (3).

These do not appear to be available in kit form and certainly not r-t-r so I am thinking of following up with kit makers who do 3D printing, however just 1 coach each of 2 diagrams and 2 of the third is hardly likely to have any printer jumping up and down with joy.

Therefore are there any Society members who could also be interested to have this followed up?

Graeme Leary
New Zealand

[mick b]

All of the Coaches you have listed were made by D&S Models many years ago, and appear on ebay on occasions .

Various very expensive 3d print coaches here https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace?q ... e-products.


Worsley works produce similar etched kits ,no castings or bogies and you may struggle to find any as well.

http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/4mm/4mm_LNER_Pregroup.htm

[jwealleans]

I wouldn't be quite as pessimistic as Mick - the D & S kits do come up (I obtained 4 for a friend in Australia last year for around £50 each, which is about the going rate for an etched coach kit). A letter to Danny Pinnock may be a good first step.

Worsley Works are worth pursuing if you don't mind some compromise - GNR Fox bogies instead of NER (Dart Castings), L & Y buffers instead of NER (Wizard Models), gas lamp tops and pregrouping torpedo vents from Roxey Mouldings. All those are available off the top of my head and there may be other smaller suppliers who can match what you want more closely (the sprung Fox bogies from Miscellany Models, for example). David Addyman of this parish would be a good place to start for much more specialist advice.

[mick b]

Pessismistic!! !!

There are however compromises are out there for modellers willing to accept them.

One NER Item I have just found are Coach Buffers !!

http://www.lanarkshiremodels.com/lanark ... te_115.htm

On my recent Dia 53 Birdcage, I used Mainly Trains GER Gas Lamps via Wizard Models , they are far from perfect, slightly low in height and the underneath of the base needed careful filing before fitting.

Dart castings GNR Bogies are in my pile too !! .I looked for the other Fox Bogies mentioned by JW, perhaps intended for P4? , but have never found them on a price list so far.

Isinglass Models also do 3D printed GNR ones ,fairly poor in detail,fragile and zero weight, not good as thats where you actually need weight on a Coach.

3D Coach Vents and Gas lamps are available on Shapeways at silly prices. That is down to Shapeways not the designer. We need a Shapeways set up in the UK !!

As to D&S Models, I have never recieved any replies for Danny Pinnock to at least three Stamp addressed envleopes over a couple of years asking for lists, and I simply gave up trying anymore. I am aware he has/had family problems.

[paul2001]

Worsley Works do clerestory part kits (sides,ends,floor and roofs). The chap who does the Highland Miscellany blog has done some NER fox bogie etches. Other bits can be cobbled together from wizard et al.

[billbedford]

I am endeavouring to replicate, I understand, a fairly typical NE suburban/rural branch line train in anticipation of TMC's announced release of their G5 later in the year.

A 4 carriage set that d17 has forwarded to me comprises:
Diagram 18 BT (3) - Diagram 14 T - Diagram 5 Lavatory Composite - Diagram 18 BT (3).

These do not appear to be available in kit form and certainly not r-t-r so I am thinking of following up with kit makers who do 3D printing, however just 1 coach each of 2 diagrams and 2 of the third is hardly likely to have any printer jumping up and down with joy.

Therefore are there any Society members who could also be interested to have this followed up?

Graeme

You don't give an indication of your period or area of interest, since the actual makeup of the sets would not be fixed over the longer time scale.

I think that any suburban set would have been made up of arc roofed stock.

The 4-set you quote looks like modeller's license using available kits from D&S. The use of two D.18s in one set doesn't look right, I would expect two different brakes with 10-12 compartments between them.

I can supply etching for the 45' clerestory stock: D.48 T, D.47 Cl, D.49 BT, D.56 BC and D.202 Saloon but these were more or less confined to the Scarborough lines.

There are also etches for some later stock: D.163 Tl, D.146 C, D.213 BT, D.178 T, D.121 Cl, D.160 C, D.75 BC, D.46 LuggC, D.75 BC and D.127 T.

Longer-term plans involve printing at least some shorter coaches, ie less than 50' long, but that won't happen until nearer the end of the year at the earliest.

[jwealleans]

Where do you list all those, Bill? I look at your website regularly and can't see them anywhere.

[Daddyman]

The 4-set you quote looks like modeller's license using available kits from D&S. The use of two D.18s in one set doesn't look right, I would expect two different brakes with 10-12 compartments between them.

No, it looks to have come straight out of John (?) Dawson, verbatim, but he does say this is a formation for main-line sets. Problem is, Dawson and the NERA of the time were never much interested in whatever happened after the Grouping, where, going by photos, sets seem to have got mixed up more. Best thing for the OP is probably to look at photos in some of Ken Hoole's books, or similar, and then compare the carriages shown against the NERA's diagram books.

Incidentally, the Fox bogies mentioned are by Mark Tatlow, produced by Rumney Models. They're fiddly, but very good. Note, though, that the footstep supports are in the earlier (higher) NER position, so need modifying to lower them to the later level. If the OP hasn't yet settled on a period I'd recommend post-1939 so that there's no need to model the footboards between the bogies as they're a right pain to get at the same height as the bogies steps!

[mick b]

Just looked at Rumney Models again. Website has been updated since january 2021.

Fox Bogies not listed at all . He only list EM/P4 versions of other types as well.

https://website.rumneymodels.co.uk/sprung-coach-bogies

[Daddyman]

There's a "contact and ordering" tab on here:
https://miscellanymodels.com/future-pla ... ox-bogies/

[JASd17]

The formation Graeme started this thread with came from me.

It is a Newcastle to Hexham set as shown in the September 1936 LNER NE Area Carriage Working Book. One compartment in the Diagram 5 has been downgraded from first to third class by this date. It is essentially a Composition A set. It is true that in the LNER period elliptical roof types could be found in these sets.

Perhaps Graeme's use of the term suburban was misleading.

John

[billbedford]

Where do you list all those, Bill? I look at your website regularly and can't see them anywhere.

I'll be posting some lists on the website over this weekend.

[mick b]

The formation Graeme started this thread with came from me.

It is a Newcastle to Hexham set as shown in the September 1936 LNER NE Area Carriage Working Book. One compartment in the Diagram 5 has been downgraded from first to third class by this date. It is essentially a Composition A set. It is true that in the LNER period elliptical roof types could be found in these sets.

Perhaps Graeme's use of the term suburban was misleading.

John

Are there any lists of the Composition of Sets anywhere please ?.

[JASd17]

NERA publish 1932 and 1926 Carriage Working Books for the North Eastern Area of the LNER.

The information I have is not yet published.

John

[billbedford]

The formation Graeme started this thread with came from me.

It is a Newcastle to Hexham set as shown in the September 1936 LNER NE Area Carriage Working Book. One compartment in the Diagram 5 has been downgraded from first to third class by this date. It is essentially a Composition A set. It is true that in the LNER period elliptical roof types could be found in these sets.

My understanding is that these clerestory coaches were built for mainline workings from the mid-1890s. They were replaced by corridor stock from around 1908 onwards and cascaded to secondary workings. By the late 1930s, they must have been coming to the end of their useful life.