Herewith a picture of the cab interior of No.1621, in Locomotion, Shildon yesterday.
As the paint dates show, this was put into 'preservation' condition in Darlington Works in 1947.
I have read (somewhere) that the work York Carriage Works did in 1973, in preparation for the locomotives transfer to the then new York based NRM was limited to patch repair.
(Sorry - I was trying to show the 'staining and graining', but have difficulty getting the picture small enough in this wretched W10.)
Ken Hoole quotes, in his books on NER locomotives, that the cabs were painted in light wood grain i.e teak.
This he specifies for the livery up to 1894 - he is not specific about what happened with the later liveries.
However there is a photo in Big Four in Colour that shows a number of locos ex- works but minus tenders. The cabs on the two ex-NER 0-6-0 s look to be wood grained finish - at least above the waist. The K3 is too indistinct to confirm one way or another.
This all agrees with the photos in the previous posts. So I think that exNER locos retained the wood grained finish to their cabs.
I’m not sure whether Darlington used this finish on the LNER “standard” classes though. I read somewhere that red (oxide?) was used on some cabs (possibly black locos?) and also that the locomotive green was used on green locos. I’m not totally sure about this and stand to be corrected!
JonBates wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:51 pm
...However there is a photo in Big Four in Colour that shows a number of locos ex- works but minus tenders. The cabs on the two ex-NER 0-6-0 s look to be wood grained finish - at least above the waist...
Well observed. The feature that originally caught my eye on first looking through this book was the socking great dent to the rear of the cab roof of 2037! I expect some very hard questions were asked about just how that had occurred on a loco bulled up for exhibition.
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However there is a photo in Big Four in Colour that shows a number of locos ex- works but minus tenders. The cabs on the two ex-NER 0-6-0 s look to be wood grained finish - at least above the waist. The K3 is too indistinct to confirm one way or another.
Just had a look in my copy of the Big 4 in Colour . To my eyes the ex NER J24 and J25 Cabs are Mid Red above the waist line. Perhaps Teak Scumble was reserved for passenger engines.
JonBates wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:51 pm
Ken Hoole quotes, in his books on NER locomotives, that the cabs were painted in light wood grain i.e teak.
This he specifies for the livery up to 1894 - he is not specific about what happened with the later liveries.
I've just been reading that same book. Livery information appears in more than one place, and there is a comment about use of "reddish brown" for cab interiors "later", after discontinuation of wood graining.
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I've just been reading that same book. Livery information appears in more than one place, and there is a comment about use of "reddish brown" for cab interiors "later", after discontinuation of wood graining.
Thanks for that reminder.......I thought that I had seen somewhere that the cabs were painted red. As Mick points out in his post it is very possible that the colour photo shows a red colour and not teak.
If I was to apply some logic then one obvious time for the change would be in 1928 when the painting economies came in. Of course it could have been earlier....or related to change of personnel in the workshops....
So all I can say is that I will not be painting my ex-NER cabs in black! Which, of course, is a cue for someone to come up with definitive proof that they were black
I wish I'd noticed your last post 3 or 4 days ago Mick. I didn't so it was only yesterday that I found my copy of that book too, and just this morning that I read the same details that you have stated.
It makes an interesting comparison with Hoole's comments nine years later in his book on all of the NER classes (or those in existence 1894 and later) which refer to reddish brown painted cab interiors "later", after discontinuation of wood graining.
It would be interesting to know whether "reddish brown" and "red" are meant to refer to different finishes and different periods, and if so, to what period reddish brown was applicable. Also not stated specifically in the 4-4-0 book as far as I can see, is cab colour for black locos, and some of the 4-4-0s were certainly in black before Gateshead works closed and while Darlington was stated to be painting cab interiors (of green locos?) green.
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I havent looked at Yeadon , no idea if Gateshead was used for 4-4-0 Locos maintenance between 1928 and closure. How quick were many Locos repainted after 1928 ? , I doubt if the cash poor LNER rushed any Locos through the system, especially any on their last legs.
Personally on Black Locos I will go for "Red", again how many shades of Red can there be ?? Perhaps Hundreds or even more. Either way it will be a grubby shade .
I have just started painting the D21 on my thread. It will be in early Apple Green LNER , I am very tempted to do the Cab in "Teak" , it would suit the Green much better then Red. The interior of the ex NER Cab Roofs never seems to be painted, I presume they were always wood even with a Steel outer Roof ?. The preserved J27 still has a natural Wood Cab Roof fitted.
