What loco?

[Malcolm]

Just to show I haven't forgotten the GER lads here is one to puzzle over:

Can anyone say what the loco type is?
(On my, Grandad. What big lumps of coal you've got!)

Malcolm

[jwealleans]

Looks like a J15 to me.

[52D]

And me J15

[Bullhead]

I vote J15 too.

[sirbrian]

It looks like a J15 to me too.

Sir Brian

[mistahjim]

I'll agree too, J15

[CVR1865]

I say J15 but I bet it is a J14 just to throw us....

[52A]

A very old and very battered photo, the loco appears to be down a hole, but where and why?

[CVR1865]

Is it the gas explosion that they have a model of at the London Transport museum?

[Bryan]

Trying to identify cranes 2 of them.
1 appears to be a manchester built crane but I do not know a builder in Manchester other than maybe Beyer Peacock, did they build any cranes?
Allocation of the nearest crane appears to be either Gateshead or Stratford going by the lettering.
I would probably opt for Gateshead with the word Steam crane underneath. That would more than likely place this incident in the NE.

[hq1hitchin]

Looking at the cab (what's left of it) is it NE style - rather then GE? Certainly a proper mess and no doubt the accident report will be in the Railway Archive, somewhere.

[52A]

I wish I knew the answer! I think it is in the north east, someone did give the opinion (a long time ago) that it was around Elswick. The photo is mounted on a very battered piece of card, it was found in the back of an old cupboard many years ago.

[Bryan]

Nearest crane is a CRAVENS from Manchester.
I believe that the NRM steam crane that was evicted from its spot at York by the wheel, used to be based at HEATON and is a CRAVENS, could it be the same one?
NER CME 13 Steam Crane built 1907

http://www.heritagerailways.com/coachdb.html

[52A]

Using a magnifying glass on the original I am fairly certain that the works plate says...Craven sons/bros Limited, Manchester, the date looks like either 1907 or 1927.

At the extreme right on the bunker the first word starts with either GA (Gateshead?) or DA (Darlington?) with ST (steam?) below.

The loco has right hand drive and looks to have air and vacuum brakes with Dreadnought ejector, screw reverser and combination injectors.

There were coal drops in the Elswick area, could it be in one of those?

[52D]

Cravens were a Manchester company who built rail and overhead cranes later taken over by Herbert Morris at Loughborough who continued to use the Craven name for a number of years. The Craven factory and the Morris factory also turned out products for each other so you could actually have a Manchester built Morris and vice versa.