James' workbench- ex-GC locos and stock in OO

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S.A.C. Martin wrote:James, I've showed your pictures by way of my iPhone to a friend who is a GCR fan and was very impressed with your ideas. He's now trying a few of these himself and I have prepared a Patriot chassis for him accordingly. Please know we might not always comment but I'm sure we all enjoy reading about your work. Keep it up - every new project brings improvements and new ways of doing things. :)
Thank you very much!
Horsetan wrote:There seem to be quite a few old McGowan GC loco kits filtering onto eBay at the moment, including a B5.
I am watching that B5, it looks like it has been put together rather nicely. I've already got one waiting its turn in the works but would happily take on another.
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Many thanks for your reply .Cannot wait to get started.Yours look brilliant,hope mine will be on a par when finnished.
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It may seem like things have gone very quiet but I have been busy (honest)!

There just hasn't been any progress really worthwhile talking about yet...

So when I last wrote about 'City of Lincoln', I had just broken the model down to it a number of subassemblies (body, chassis and tender) and was about to put the lot into paint stripper.

After a few days sitting in white spirit I was able to remove the vast majority of the original paint finish; I found two variations of GCR livery and three of LNER, plus two coats of grey primer below all of that.... no wonder the paintwork looked a little thick!

Once it was all cleaned off and dried out, I repainted the model in GCR green livery. Firstly a coat of grey primer, then two coats of Humbrol gloss Brunswick green enamel and two coats of Humbrol matt Brunswick green acrylic. The dark brown/ crimson splashers are Humbrol no.73 enamel, over a coat of Humbrol satin mid-brown.

Now came the puzzler! Coming to put it all back together, I found that the body didn't want to go squarely back on the chassis. Then I found that the loco chassis didn't have any pickups fitted- hence the obtrusive wire back into the tender, where the pickups lived (what an odd set-up). I decided that the best way to deal with the problem was to re-chassis the loco, and picked up a Hornby RailRoad Patriot chassis- the wheel spacings and sizes are pretty much a dead match for the Sam Fays. I then had to remove a large amount of material from the underside and inside of the boiler to get it to fit right, but managed it eventually.

So, as of tonight, this is what I have...

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It is starting to feel like I'm on the home straight with this model now.

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The loco itself is being lined out, I only have to add the red lining around the cab edge to finish it off. I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that full GCR livery is, at the moment, beyond my skill level and beyond what I can reasonably achieve, so I've simplified it a little. Unless you get right up close to the model, you can't tell. Besides, I work to the 2' rule.

The loco now needs the last bits of lining applied, cab handrails, reversing lever, nameplates and numberplates.

The tender is a bit more involved, as the original plastic chassis it was fitted with broke apart.... I would have needed to do something with it anyway as it sat too low on the track, and I had a spare Jaycraft resin Director tender to hand which when paired with a Triang 2P tender chassis sits at the right height. So I now have a K's whitemetal tender in my spares box, and a Jaycraft tender running behind the loco. The 2P tender chassis has to be extended a little at the rear, which is why there are no buffer or drawbar fittings yet. I've also got to line out and add handrails to the tender- more work required here!
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Well, there it was, finished, save for varnishing.

I've recently bought a bottle of Humbrol satin clear varnish (water based, reasonably priced, doesn't take hours to dry and doesn't smell to high heaven) and thought I would give it a go. Within minutes of putting it on, it dried, and turned a horrible chalky colour with a dusty residue. For something water based, it is surprising how washing the model off didn't remove the varnish, though it did get rid of the chalk, until the water dried off, at which point the residue returned.

I then tried to paint over the varnish, but the bloom showed through the paint.

The only option left is to strip the model back to bare metal and start over. Two months' work, wasted.

Thanks, Humbrol.
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G'day Gents
Sorry to hear that James.

Me too, but with Apple Green, b****y annoying.

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Hi James,

Sorry to hear about your problems with the varnish, I've had this in the past two but using Games Workshop Purity Seal. In this case I came to the conclusion that it was too cold to paint so I whacked the heater in the garage up full pelt, warmed the can in some warm water and resprayed over the top of the original coat. To my surprise this worked that the second coat completely hid the blooming of the first!

Might be worth a try...
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Atso wrote:Hi James,

Sorry to hear about your problems with the varnish, I've had this in the past two but using Games Workshop Purity Seal. In this case I came to the conclusion that it was too cold to paint so I whacked the heater in the garage up full pelt, warmed the can in some warm water and resprayed over the top of the original coat. To my surprise this worked that the second coat completely hid the blooming of the first!

Might be worth a try...
I'll bear that in mind should it happen again- after three hours last night trying to clean up the mess I lost patience and put the lot in stripper overnight...

I was quite pleased with the paint finish and am unhappy that that has been lost, the lining, well I welcome the opportunity to have another crack at it. She's now in grey primer with new homebrew tender and cab transfers being prepared.

After the disappointment, I felt like some immediate (or near immediate) gratfication, so I pulled out the GBL 'Butler Henderson' model I bought last year and squirreled away. I've previously tried to buy a Bachmann Director chassis to go under it to find they're not only nonexistant on that well known auction site, but that Bachmann themselves won't supply them as spares. So it would have to be a Hornby chassis. Happily I had a Triang L1/ 2P chassis in the spares box and decided to put that under it. (Bare in mind that the Jaycraft resin D10 and the BEC whitemetal D11were both designed for this chassis, so it won't look too abhorrent).

It was surprisingly easy to make it fit, and to make the body sit at the right height. I had to file down the motor block a little, and remove some maerial from the inside of the boiler, but within an hour or two I had the GBL body sitting on a Triang chassis at scale height. Had I been willing to accept the body sitting 2mm too high it would have been done in half an hour- but then the tender would have looked odd...

Very happy with that, now to scrape off the moulded handrails and replace with wire, and to put in the black areas of the lining with a paint pen, rename and renumber.... and varnish (uuuuurrrrggggghhhhh) and I'll have a quick, easy and cheap project.
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G'day Gents

Thanks for that tip ATSO, I didn't strip my A1 (Humorist) I just put it on the shelf and left it for another day, that other day may well have arrived, I will probably warm the jar, but if I wait a couple of days it'll be up in the high 30's C again.

having the whitish 'dust' all over it I could use it on my Mill Hill layout 8)

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After the debacle last weekend with 'City of Lincoln', I decided to put that locomotive on the 'shelf of terrible mistakes' for a short while and get on with something else (something more productive than burning down the Humbrol factory in revenge, that is).

So I sorted out my GBL 'Butler Henderson' and set about converting her (him?) into a running model.

The first step obviously is to take the model apart and then consider how to get the running chassis to fit. The GBL model breaks down quite helpfully into three main parts; the cab, the boiler and the running plate. And when we look at the running plate, we see marks where extra material has been added to the original Bachmann model (via CAD, after being scanned perhaps?) which forms the mounting for the cast static chassis. I followed these marks and cut the extra material away, and lo and behold it fit the new chassis. The new chassis is a Triang 2P/ L1 chassis, Bachmann Director chassis being as rare as hens teeth and not offered as a spare by Bachmann.

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So here we see the material removed from the model to allow the chassis to fit- I also had to file down the thickness of the boiler a little.

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And the chassis it sits on- I removed a tiny amount of material from the motor mount to get it to fit. If you aren't concerned about getting the bod to sit at scale height, you can save the hour or so of filing and fine-tuning and just have the body sit around 2mm too high.

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To get the tender rolling, I had some Triang axles and wheelsets sitting in my spares box. I drilled right through the axleboxes and inserted the axles through them. I then used plastic sheet to reinstate the axlebox fronts- in this photograph I need to repaint the tender frames.

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The only real part of the locomotive body I found disappointing was the moulded on boiler handrail, so I scraped this off and drilled holes for new handrail knobs. I used split pins for the knobs and brass wire for the new handrail. At some point in the year I had the model in storage the front lefthand buffer had disappeared, so I used some 2mm plastic sheet to form a new buffer head and 1.2mm plastic rod for a new buffer shank. To get a strong joint between the two I drilled a 1.2mm hole through the buffer head and cut off the shank about 1cm too long. Once I had slid the head along the shank, I flooded the joint with plastic solvent and once it had dried cut the shank back to length. Etched nameplates were bought from Modelmaster, etched numberplates are on order from Narrow Planet.

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The model as it currently stands. There are a few areas which need repainting- I have tried with this project to retain the factory finish as far as possible- I also need to fit frames over the bogie and look to the cab glazing. For a cheap, quick and easy project though, this has made a nice change.
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G'day Gents

Looks good.

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Thank you. Since the last set of photographs were taken, I have added frames below the running plate over the bogie and repainted the tender frames.

Work still to do basically runs to glazing the cab and varnishing, which after the last time I'm a little apprehensive about.
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Looking fantastic fella! Keep it up man!

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Thanks!

The next thing to do with Gerard Powys Dewhurst was to touch in the paintwork in the areas which had received attention. A few coats of signal red on the buffer beams, some matt black on the new buffer I had to build and some crimson lake on the tender frames.

Then it was time to glaze the cab. I have found quite a useful product called 'glue 'n' glaze', which as it's name suggests can be used either as an adhesive or as a glazing material. It looks rather like a more elastic PVA glue, it goes on as a thick white fluid but eventually dries clear. You get a good amount on the model in one corner of the window, then gently drag it across the aperture to fill it completely and leave it to dry. Occasionally you'll have to have a few goes at this as sometimes the glazing bursts as it dries!

Finally, to remove the odd high-gloss finish of the model as supplied, I gave it a few coats of matt varnish to dull the whole thing down and give it more of a work-stained appearance.

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Now for my next trick- restarting 'City of Lincoln' after the chalky varnish issue a few weeks ago.

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I'd previously re-primed the loco, so this evening I was able to give it a first coat of matt brunswick green acrylic. It will need a few coats of this (and of gloss brunswick enamel) to get up to the final finish.
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The D11 looks fantastic James! Those not in the know would probably mistake it for a genuine RTR model as opposed to a cross between a static one and RTR spares! Looking forward to seeing the progress on City of Lincoln!

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