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JASd17 wrote: Grantham will be a stern test of the concept I think.

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To pick up on a comment above, I've had the view for a while that there's a potential niche market out there for a range of standard loco components (boilers, cabs, tenders ,etc) to allow modellers to mix n match to create their own 'plug n play' locos. A sort of bridge between RTR and kit building (for those who claim they could never do the latter).
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LNER4479 wrote:...To pick up on a comment above, I've had the view for a while that there's a potential niche market out there for a range of standard loco components (boilers, cabs, tenders ,etc) to allow modellers to mix n match to create their own 'plug n play' locos. A sort of bridge between RTR and kit building (for those who claim they could never do the latter).
This is the point I was making, but Morgan thinks I'm fantasising again. He is right, and I am wrong, as indeed he always is.
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All depends upon just how "ready made", versatile, and comprehensive one would want "flexiparts" to be. The J6 boiler for instance also suits J1, J2 and J5, J3 with shortening of firebox, D2, and again with modifications D3, N1 and N2. Extended, or two cut and shut, it could also cover the Klondyke, Q1 and Q2. In each case the way in which it locates, the height to which the firebox and smokebox bases must be built up or trimmed down, plus the shaping to fit around other parts of the loco will no doubt be different. I doubt it could be made so as to simply plug straight into each loco model.
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With regard to LNER 4479's comment, I was thinking of Atlantic's resin chassis and associated mechanicals being tested, no criticism of the layout at all.

Still having strange turns about leaving No. 26 on!

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No offence taken - it was just my warped sense of humour that spotted a (unintentional) double meaning.

The sternest test is almost certainly the southbound departure 'up and over' the ski jump - but I think it'll be possible to keep the J6's diagrammed away from that route if we have to :wink:

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I have just ordered a further supply of the small motors with worm gear attached. These were still very reasonably priced but those without the gear are getting on for doubling in price. On the question of a range of boilers etc I think it is evident that fairly cheap plastic bodies can provide donor parts. That said, a range of styrene plastic telescopic tubes say from 16mm to 24mm would be very helpful.
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LNER4479 wrote:No offence taken - it was just my warped sense of humour that spotted a (unintentional) double meaning.

The sternest test is almost certainly the southbound departure 'up and over' the ski jump - but I think it'll be possible to keep the J6's diagrammed away from that route if we have to :wink:

Remember John - 'all levers back in frame' :)
I think operator error would require a tender behind if the 'test' was failed!

I am hoping to get to the 'dress rehearsal'

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The other two J6 mechanisms are now built up and running smoothly, ready for addition of pick-ups and cosmetic bits.
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There's something of a mixture of spares-box wheels on these two. The leading loco is shod with 20mm 16 spoke wheels (not quite right, but close) which came my way as a freebie from the man at Little Bytham. I think they may be Sharman wheels of some vintage. The axles required cutting to length by the user, as did the rather long crankpin bushes. They don't run quite as true as Markits wheels, nor do the Gibsons on the first J6 I built, but they do the job.
The third J6 has Romford / Markits wheels, possibly in fact a mixture of the two, all 21mm 18 spoke. Those hidden on the other side of the loco are the type with blackened spokes, RP25 flanges and no cast-in balance weights. Although I had three more 21mm Markits wheels with RP25 flanges, those were 16 spoke, not blackened either. I could have used them, just to see whether anybody was pedantic enough to count the spokes on both sides of the loco, but for some reason I chose to do things the hard way. The three wheels on this side of the loco had the older deep flanges, cast in weights and the correct number of spokes. For some reason ONE wheel had a plain un-tapped hole for a crankpin and the other two weren't even drilled. Fairly ancient ones I imagine. Using an electric drill in a vice to spin the wheels on their axles I reduced the flanges with files, getting as near to the size and shape of an RP25 flange as I could. Using the one drilled wheel as a pattern I put the other two in succession back-to-back with it and drilled their crankpin holes, then tapped them all 10BA. I suspect that somewhere in this process I got one crankpin hole slightly out of position, because when I fitted up the rods onto the leading and middle set of wheels they spun perfectly freely with holes in the rods only 0.1mm larger than the 1mm crankpin size. When I then tried out the rods separately on the middle and rear sets of wheels I got persistent binding with the cranks in the 45 degree positions and had to enlarge the holes in those rods to 1.3mm before the problem cleared. Having thought about this problem again, after the event and too late to change my tactics, I think I ought to have swapped the leading a trailing wheel from the prehistoric set. I might then have been able to keep the rear sections of the rods snug on their pins, rather than sloppy, even if the front sections had in turn to become a loose fit. I don't much like the idea of already having so much slop in the rods that transmit the forces from the driven rear axle, but it works for the time being.
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O gawd! The BIG BIG railway modelling website has just crashed and burned again...

Good job I've learned from past disasters to save any text that I've typed up before I risk pressing the "submit" button!

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Look absolutely delicious!

Congrats on post no. 4000 on this thread, incidentally 8)
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G'day Gents

Well Congrats to Graeme on 4000 posts, not bad eh !

Your pic above reminds me on the sad picture of a line of J6's being scrapped, but these are brand new :D

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Graeme, those J6s look excellent. I can see gear wheels on the newest two J6s between the centre and last driving wheels, but not on the prototype at the rear. How did you hide it on the prototype? I presume the gear trains are similar?

Overall Graeme you're cornering the market with kits of the most needed LNER locomotives. :) It is reminding me to get on and finish my GK V2s.
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Staggeringly good! :shock: 8) 8)
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Thanks for the positive comments everybody.

I'm glad somebody spotted the gear wheels at last Simon. I've painted the moulded white nylon black as they were even more strikingly obvious at first. On the first loco the gear wheel is there, just the same, but hidden somewhat by pick ups, brake gear and (until late afternoon yesterday) temporary wiring connecting loco and tender. I've now re-routed those wires from the tender to go direct to the motor terminals because I felt that things were a bit crowded around the underside of the gear train. I didn't want wires rubbing against gears at some stage and either affecting the smooth running or gradually losing their insulating sleeves with potential later consequences. The blackened gear on the first loco is thus a little more apparent now than it once was, but not too obvious until you get down to a ground level view of the loco.
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