Micky wrote:An easy one for some, a muti aspect colour light signal that was only passed at either double yellow or green by passenger trains and NOT passed at a single yellow by them where was this signal to be found?.
Taking your question literally Micky, over time there would've been a lot of them dotted about along the main line at one time or another, but I think I know what/where you really mean, and I won't give that answer (too easy when you have the right local knowledge) so as to allow others to truly put thinking caps on.
You know it Stevie (of course) the signal concerned was to be found on the Up Relief Line heading south towards Kings Cross station just outside Gasworks tunnel originally controlled by the 1930s Kings Cross s/box and then later on by the 1971 Kings Cross box for several years until re-signalling.
I believe there was a notice board attached to the signal post telling drivers of passenger trains either-
NOT TO PASS THIS BOARD IF THE SIGNAL IS DISPLAYING A SINGLE YELLOW ASPECT.
or it said
NOT TO PASS THIS BOARD UNLESS THE SIGNAL IS DISPLAYING A DOUBLE YELLOW OR A GREEN ASPECT.
... Yes, plated KC84 (which lever was only released when others signal levers were already Reverse which would lead to the signal showing only YY or G aspect : The single Y was controlled by lever 83).
The notice board wording? ; - it was roughly your second version Micky, but I'm pretty sure reading "NO PASSENGER TRAIN TO PASS THIS BOARD UNLESS YY OR G ASPECT IS DISPLAYED" or extremely similar thereto.
The other 'many' I referred to were of course where colour-light Outer Distants (showing only YY or G) were added on Main or Fast lines where the previous Distant was retained as an Inner; the last of which that I can immediately think of was that previously-mentioned (in another thread) un-numbered one on the Up Fast near Marshmoor, leading to Y/G Inner Distant M9R, so in effect it was M9RR.
Micky wrote:Sorry to hi-jack this topic post everyone.
I agree John i would also like to see some more cab ride video/dvds from the late 1960s & early 1970s my favourite era on B.R.
I would especially like to see a cab ride from Kings Cross to Leeds circa 1968-70 if one ever surfaced?.
Also as previously posted a cab ride from either Leeds or Nottingham up the Midland main line into st Pancras circa 1968-71.
I am going to hi-jack this post once again, just to inform Micky (and anyone else who is interested) that it may not be 60s or 70s, but a cab ride from the Cross in 1985 has been posted on Youtube at http://youtu.be/sdW_EwIkXss
Micky wrote:Sorry to hi-jack this topic post everyone.
I agree John i would also like to see some more cab ride video/dvds from the late 1960s & early 1970s my favourite era on B.R.
I would especially like to see a cab ride from Kings Cross to Leeds circa 1968-70 if one ever surfaced?.
Also as previously posted a cab ride from either Leeds or Nottingham up the Midland main line into st Pancras circa 1968-71.
I am going to hi-jack this post once again, just to inform Micky (and anyone else who is interested) that it may not be 60s or 70s, but a cab ride from the Cross in 1985 has been posted on Youtube at http://youtu.be/sdW_EwIkXss
Thanks John.
I saw that TVP (Transport Video Publishing) Midland Mainline cabride dvd filmed from the cab of a HST 125 from st Pancras to Sheffield in 2007 and unfortunately it doesn't compare with the 1971 cabride filmed from the cab of a class 45 'Peak' loco. First the 2007 dvd features endless (boring) colour light signalling all the way and second the HSTs had knocked off around 15-20 minutes of the 1971 timmings doing a steady 125mph which is to fast strangely enough (90 mph is a better speed to travel at) plus the 'rationalized railway' looks pretty boring to be honest.
The 1971 southern approaches into Sheffield out from Dore South Junction still looked fairly interesting with 4-5 running lines and about 5 fairly large mechanical s/boxes on that stretch of line then still in use but in the 2007 cabride as expected over the same route it has of course been 'rationalized' down to 2 running lines and colour light signalling.
Ok guy's maybe there's a couple of forum member's who are away over the christmas holidays but are not around who would have got the answer??.
Anyway the answer is LUTON.
1.Luton North a Midland Railway box on the Midland main line.
2.Luton South a Midland Railway box on the Midland main line.
3.Luton East a British Railways built box of London Midland Region design just east of Luton Bute Street station.
4.Luton Yard a Great Northern Railway box just west of Luton Bute Street station.
5.Luton West a Great Northern Railway box beyond Luton Yard box on the Luton Bute Street-Dunstable section.
Luton West box looks similar to both Tempsford & Hatfield no.3 s/boxes.
Here's a little one that'll be easy for some, but I think worth a mention for trivia/curiosity if nothing else :
- A suburban-ish area going under one main name that had at one time or another, stations &/or boxes with the suffix names of :- East, Main Line, Central, Lane, East, Middle, West, Town, and Yard, plus one where South was a prefix. There are also a couple of others which I'm omitting as would make answering too easy. (Clue; one of this list originally had a completely[/I] different name).
strang steel wrote:I am going to plump for Acton, although I have not discovered all the relevant boxes yet. Some are on the Underground lines.
...And you win an imaginary photo of a trophy SS !! (sorry .) Well done!
Perhaps as so often, with enough clues, not too hard if you know an area or at least have an idea of railway geography in the vicinity.
Yes, it's quite an area for railways (if only Acton Bridge, Acton Grange, etc. were also in the same West London area!), and Underground is in there, but I thought to mention that would be too much of a clue.
The two Actons 'missing' from the question were;-.. ----- Wells, and ----- Canal Wharf of course.
[And Acton Town was once Mill Hill Park (!).]
[ Oh dear !
Just realised that one of the two(?!) 'East's should have been a 'prefix' version, as should 'North' if I hadn't forgotten to include it. I think I'd better retire from this inquisitor lark, already - obviously not cut out for it.]
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I havan't been on the forum for the last 36hrs and have just saw and read your clues Stevie without seeing the answer but i guessed it was probably on the GWR/WR with names like East, Middle & West boxes but i was thinking possibly further down towards the west of England?.
strang steel wrote:I am going to plump for Acton, although I have not discovered all the relevant boxes yet. Some are on the Underground lines.
...And you win an imaginary photo of a trophy SS !! (sorry .) Well done!
Perhaps as so often, with enough clues, not too hard if you know an area or at least have an idea of railway geography in the vicinity.
Yes, it's quite an area for railways (if only Acton Bridge, Acton Grange, etc. were also in the same West London area!), and Underground is in there, but I thought to mention that would be too much of a clue.
The two Actons 'missing' from the question were;-.. ----- Wells, and ----- Canal Wharf of course.
[And Acton Town was once Mill Hill Park (!).]
[ Oh dear !
One of the two(?!) 'East's should have been 'North'. I think I'd better retire from this inquisitor lark, already - obviously not cut out for it.]
The strange thing is, that I am not really that familiar with the area, but I was trying to think of how many signal boxes I could think of in the country which included Main Line in the name, and that was the first one that I came up with, so after delving around on the OS map it seemed to fit the bill.
There may be other ****** Main Line boxes (where ****** is just a name, not a deleted expletive) but I suppose having lived in places (for the last 45 years) with Paddington as the most convenient London terminus, the suburban station names on that line must be ingrained in my memory.
I was finding it difficult to sleep at 3a.m. and my mind started wandering to an ex-LNER fantasy situation, but I don't know if it has any mileage here.
If money and land was no object, and you could re-create the LNER system (as it was pre-war) only 80 years on, but use *any* steam locos to the GB loading gauge, which would you choose to run your system?
For instance, would you resurrect the A3s for mainline work out of Kings Cross, or use a combination of A4s and later A1s/A2s? Maybe you would have a stud of P2s for the heaviest expresses and sleepers? Or maybe you would ditch that idea and go for the unthinkable? Stanier pacifics or (dare I say it?) Kings and Castles?
And what about Liverpool Street? Britannias? A modern modified B17, or Bullied pacifics, Clans, or something else?
Only classes that were actually built are allowed and weight restrictions plus RA considerations should be considered; and the point is that there were lots of less suitable classes in the past which would not be revived. But which are the ones that you would build in large numbers?
.) Well done!