West End Workbench
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Wheels on the way from Alan Gibson Workshop and the WSM chassis moved under its own power last night.
To get over those long ladders of pointwork at Grantham, I've put pickups on the tender as well. I was contemplating a subframe and more modern chassis, but this is a simple test of it as it is. The upperworks will need a bit of detailing while we're on. I've been alerted to these handy looking loco to tender plugs to hang it all together.
JASd17 and I have been discussing the finer points of C1 detailing this week. Reading Yeadon, I found that 4412 was one of those which never had a smokebox saddle. I was all set to look at renumbering until I checked the model and found that it doesn't have one. think Phil must have removed it when he built it, unless anyone knows if the kit was supplied like that? The Ramsbottom casting has been removed to be replaced with Ross Pops and the anticarbonising device will be replaced with finer wire.
To get over those long ladders of pointwork at Grantham, I've put pickups on the tender as well. I was contemplating a subframe and more modern chassis, but this is a simple test of it as it is. The upperworks will need a bit of detailing while we're on. I've been alerted to these handy looking loco to tender plugs to hang it all together.
JASd17 and I have been discussing the finer points of C1 detailing this week. Reading Yeadon, I found that 4412 was one of those which never had a smokebox saddle. I was all set to look at renumbering until I checked the model and found that it doesn't have one. think Phil must have removed it when he built it, unless anyone knows if the kit was supplied like that? The Ramsbottom casting has been removed to be replaced with Ross Pops and the anticarbonising device will be replaced with finer wire.
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Good morning all
The chassis looks good with the drivers close together.
Earlswood nob
The chassis looks good with the drivers close together.
Earlswood nob
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Are the axles diagonal across the width of that tender? Does the leading one have a wonky wheel on one end?
On the matter of loco details, you could consider fitting a drain cock on the left lower firebox side.
On the matter of loco details, you could consider fitting a drain cock on the left lower firebox side.
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Looking at the photo (it's not apparent to the naked eye) they are increasingly diagonal and that front wheel does look cockeyed. It runs acceptably though not brilliantly.
I have ordered a set of tender frames from AGW so it can be replaced if necessary.
I have ordered a set of tender frames from AGW so it can be replaced if necessary.
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Couldn't make out the 'loco to tender plugs'. If you wouldn't mind could you give a few more details?
I always collect current from the tender and have tried several solutions but usually end up 'hard-wiring' a connection. Well, I try to make the wires look like hoses!
I always collect current from the tender and have tried several solutions but usually end up 'hard-wiring' a connection. Well, I try to make the wires look like hoses!
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I'm enjoying this, so that I hope you'll continue the saga of the Atlantics. I have both a K's and a WSM one tucked away in the depths these last 30(?) years, which would both benefit from a thorough re-working. Your experience is likely to give helpful pointers......
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There's an embedded link there, David, to these:
http://www.petersspares.com/peters-rd00 ... trip-20.ir
I've asked my mate at Peter's to bring some over and I'll give them a go next week.
http://www.petersspares.com/peters-rd00 ... trip-20.ir
I've asked my mate at Peter's to bring some over and I'll give them a go next week.
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Awaiting bits from different places, so this afternoon 3249 went into the dismantling shop. This is what it reduced to:
I had to break the tender sideframe off to remove the old wheelsets. Although just putting brass bearings into the frames left the wheels too tight to turn, by countersinking them with a 3mm drill I've managed to get them fairly free running and soldered the frame back on.
If anyone would like the Ks motor, gear, axles and wheels they are free to a home, good or otherwise. The carpet fairy seems to have eaten one of the wheel securing screws, however.
I've made up the other two gearboxes this evening so they're ready for use and the chassis from 3249 has gone into the paint stripper.
Something else I've been tinkering with: Thurston goes out to Spalding next month and I like to take something new each time I go, so here are some Bachmann Private Owners, along with a Cambrian open I've been finishing off.
I had to break the tender sideframe off to remove the old wheelsets. Although just putting brass bearings into the frames left the wheels too tight to turn, by countersinking them with a 3mm drill I've managed to get them fairly free running and soldered the frame back on.
If anyone would like the Ks motor, gear, axles and wheels they are free to a home, good or otherwise. The carpet fairy seems to have eaten one of the wheel securing screws, however.
I've made up the other two gearboxes this evening so they're ready for use and the chassis from 3249 has gone into the paint stripper.
Something else I've been tinkering with: Thurston goes out to Spalding next month and I like to take something new each time I go, so here are some Bachmann Private Owners, along with a Cambrian open I've been finishing off.
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Bit of a hiatus coming up, but I'm pleased to say that 3249 has had the chassis stripped, new wheels and drive train and has also now moved under her own power, even with no coupling rods. It's starting to look like Doncaster Works in there:
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I didn't realise you had THREE C1s. An impressive sight. There's an outside chance that an ancient bottle of allegedly LNER green paint that I acquired a while ago may be the lighter shade used on two of those locos. We must investigate some time. You may be able to match shades in order to repaint patches such as cab roofs.
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Ouch! Even one with green cylinders and black splasher tops, I think even the LNER didn't go that far.
Good luck with the 'general repairs' Jonathan. The LNER was as much an Atlantic railway as a Pacific one for more than a decade from 1923. Something not much discussed, still less modelled.
The Atlantic variations were numerous too. Thank you to Jonathan and his 'works photos' for highlighting some of the modelling pitfalls.
John
Good luck with the 'general repairs' Jonathan. The LNER was as much an Atlantic railway as a Pacific one for more than a decade from 1923. Something not much discussed, still less modelled.
The Atlantic variations were numerous too. Thank you to Jonathan and his 'works photos' for highlighting some of the modelling pitfalls.
John
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that should be four slips, gully and two short legsjwealleans wrote:Bit of a diversion in the last few days as we've been out to the Grantham Model rail show with Thurston. This is one of the last shows we'll do with the layout so if you want to see it again you're running out of chances.
I took some pictures of newish stock and one or two locos we don't run very often also had a few hours in the sun. Thanks to LNER4479 (and Mrs 4479) for helping over lunchtime on the Saturday when we were a man short.
Bury shed turned out their other D16 on the Sunday morning.
This NER lav 3rd features on the bench a few pages back. It will be weathered when I've gathered up enough outstanding stock to do a batch.
Cambrian kit C107 - SR D 1375 open as supplied to the LNER during the war (LNER D 178). Also to be weathered. Another in Cambrian's ever improving range.
Finally, due to the presence of Mr. King of this parish, we had a guest loco on the Sunday morning for a few hours.
I suspect the headroom on that bridge might have reduced somewhat had this been sent over it in reality. Nonetheless a beautiful runner which we never dared turn up past 40% on the controller without posting 3 slips and a gulley.
Edit - I must also pass on our thanks to Grantham Railway Club for looking after us so well and to the good folk of Grantham who were kind enough to vote us their favourite layout.
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Wow JW; looks like a serious outbreak of 'shopping' there (and not of the retail therapy kind). All power to the workbench's elbowjwealleans wrote:Bit of a hiatus coming up, but I'm pleased to say that 3249 has had the chassis stripped, new wheels and drive train and has also now moved under her own power, even with no coupling rods. It's starting to look like Doncaster Works in there:
(recreating pre-war Grantham in model form http://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9076.
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Back at the bench this afternoon after a week working away. No delivery from AGW as yet, so the first job was to look at loco/tender connections.
My man at Peter's Spares came up with these handy things (RD005)
Cut off as required and wire up. They make a rather neat connection, once soldered and protected with heatshrink.
That was about all I could do to the current crop of locos, though, so attention turned to the fourth of the batch.
I picked this up at an Ely show. Although I don't generally like starting too many things at once, I do intend to use this, a much more modern kit, to look at how some of the issues with the older ones have been tackled and maybe pinch some ideas. It ought to make a much better loco, but we'll see. I am aware of issues with the rear axle, but for the moment it's being built as per the instructions (although maybe not quite in that order).
Anyway it was out with the Masterchassis after lunch and off we went.
People ask whether these jigs are worth it. Well, we managed without them for years so they're clearly not a necessity. For me, though, they make getting a square, free chassis a much easier and quicker process and give more consistent results. An hour later I had this:
The frames are quite thick which means the internal space is quite narrow. I have a RoadRunner Plus made up which I was going to use in this loco, but the extra width on the lowest section means that it won't quite fit. I'll swap that onto the WSM one and use a HighFlyer in here. The ratios are the same so performance should be identical
With this kit the cab, boiler and firebox are single castings so once you start they just need fettling up and fitting together. Another hour and I had this:
We slowed down a little after that. but by the time I brought it down for washing it looked like this:
The cab/boiler/smokebox assembly is only attached at the front; I couldn't quite figure out what is supposed to happen under the cab? A self tapping screw? There isn't one in the box.
My man at Peter's Spares came up with these handy things (RD005)
Cut off as required and wire up. They make a rather neat connection, once soldered and protected with heatshrink.
That was about all I could do to the current crop of locos, though, so attention turned to the fourth of the batch.
I picked this up at an Ely show. Although I don't generally like starting too many things at once, I do intend to use this, a much more modern kit, to look at how some of the issues with the older ones have been tackled and maybe pinch some ideas. It ought to make a much better loco, but we'll see. I am aware of issues with the rear axle, but for the moment it's being built as per the instructions (although maybe not quite in that order).
Anyway it was out with the Masterchassis after lunch and off we went.
People ask whether these jigs are worth it. Well, we managed without them for years so they're clearly not a necessity. For me, though, they make getting a square, free chassis a much easier and quicker process and give more consistent results. An hour later I had this:
The frames are quite thick which means the internal space is quite narrow. I have a RoadRunner Plus made up which I was going to use in this loco, but the extra width on the lowest section means that it won't quite fit. I'll swap that onto the WSM one and use a HighFlyer in here. The ratios are the same so performance should be identical
With this kit the cab, boiler and firebox are single castings so once you start they just need fettling up and fitting together. Another hour and I had this:
We slowed down a little after that. but by the time I brought it down for washing it looked like this:
The cab/boiler/smokebox assembly is only attached at the front; I couldn't quite figure out what is supposed to happen under the cab? A self tapping screw? There isn't one in the box.
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