pacer trains

[Mickey]

Whats the differents between a Pacer and a Sprinter?.

In my part of the world London i never seen either one of them?.

The old Cravens were alright you use to get a good view of the railway even if you was sitting anywhere in the leading or trailing unit, admittedly they use to 'rock & roll' a bit when bombing along the main line between Kings Cross & Hitchin and beyond as either a x4 or x6 car unit and they could stink a bit of diesel fumes sometimes but i liked them.

Pacers are based on 4 wheeled chassis' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacer_(train). Where as Sprinters are based on bogie fitted chassis' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprinter_(train). These two wikipedia sites give you a general idea of the sort rubbish [especially the Pacers] inflicked on the railways in the mid eighties as replacements for the first generation DMUs.

Yeah thanks a lot for describing the differents between a Pacer and a Sprinter, i knew of them but was never really that interested enough in finding out anymore about them to be honest.

[sandwhich]

I have only travelled on a pacer once and that was many years ago between Leeds and Keighley and that was bad enough, but the train was going on to Morecombe! Recently a journo in Modern Railways felt that he would see that the Voyagers would be scrapped and many pacers would still in service. I don't think he was joking.

[cambois]

Ian is not really a journo - but has a long pedigree as an rolling stock engineering manager with BR and Porterbrook. And no he is deadly serious! although he has a fine sense of humour

[sandwhich]

I meant no offence to Ian Warmsley of Modern Railways. His sense of humour borders on the wicked at times, his article on Pacers was amusing but had a serious side which shows as I said the muddle that is now looming.