2750 wrote:Further reading states that 'Gascoigne Wood's purpose was the transfer of coal traffic between the West Riding pits and Hull and Goole'..Stephen Chapman, Railway Memories No.14 Selby and Goole. So this would suggest the Mineral traffic from Gascoigne Wood to Newport, would be coal.
Any further information on the subject would be much appreciated.
Thanks
In the 1930's something over 1 million tonnes of Coal originating from The Yorkshire/ Nottinghamshire Coalfields was Exported from the Humber Ports, Goole, Hull, Immingham and Grimsby.
It is possible that some of this freight could well originate from the Durham Coalfields.
2750 wrote:Further reading states that 'Gascoigne Wood's purpose was the transfer of coal traffic between the West Riding pits and Hull and Goole'..Stephen Chapman, Railway Memories No.14 Selby and Goole. So this would suggest the Mineral traffic from Gascoigne Wood to Newport, would be coal.
Any further information on the subject would be much appreciated.
Thanks
In the 1930's something over 1 million tonnes of Coal originating from The Yorkshire/ Nottinghamshire Coalfields was Exported from the Humber Ports, Goole, Hull, Immingham and Grimsby.
It is possible that some of this freight could well originate from the Durham Coalfields.
Hi 53C
I should have pointed out, the WTT indicates the mineral traffic is all coming from Gascoigne Wood to Newport, all north bound. There is no southbound mineral trains to Gascoigne Wood.
Tom Foster Modelling the North Eastern Area of the LNER - 1935-1939
No return empties is not surprising as I would expect a migration of loaded coal wagons from the north (North east and Yorkshire) to London and the south east and East Anglia for household and domestic coal, so the empties from these areas would migrate back to the north and get picked up in say Doncaster and re-distributed to collieries. This would only apply to railway owned wagons - private owners would go empty to their designated loading point, or wherever the owner decided.
Darnall used to have two evening workings both with 60 empty coal waggons starting from the Neepsend area.
One finished up at Wath, then l.e to Mexbrough and get a return working from there the other, later in the evening finished up at Gascogine Wood sidings, this one if I remember was a swop over at G.W. and brought brought 30 coal back to Harvest Lane, West of Sheffield when the coal drops were.
I think that its important to remember the period of the 1930s pre-WWII, and what was going on at the time. Great Britain was belatedly in an arms race in the 1930s, and there was an increased demand for iron & steel for all sorts of reasons. The blast furnaces on Teesside went in to overdrive, and so greater volumes of iron ore, coal & limestone were required, from an increasingly wider radius. The resultant traffic all converged on the Newport marshalling yards on Teesside, and the local shed therein. During 1936 - 1943, local mineral freight locomotives at Newport were enhanced with up to twenty-eight Gresley J39 0-6-0s, and WD 2-8-0s and J94s were also added to the local locomotive fleet on arrival.
I believe that East Midlands iron ore was brought up to Teesside via Normanton exchange sidings to the west, with West Yorkshire coal via Gascoigne Wood, and East Yorkshire limestone/chalk via Pilmoor. This influx of raw materials added to the local minerals from the Cleveland Ironstone District, coal from South & West Durham, and limestone from both Weardale & Wensleydale.
It wasn't case of West Yorkshire coal displacing Durham coal, but one of getting the raw materials from wherever, to meet the defence needs of the nation.
Wasn't locally produced Iron ore inferior to Scandanavian and other ores and was used as an additive to them. Or maybe we have someone who knows a little more about metallurgy than I do to pronounce on it.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
52D wrote:Wasn't locally produced Iron ore inferior to Scandanavian and other ores
Scandinavian ore was much harder to get hold of after 1940...
Yes I should have made myself a little clearer over my remarks as needs must during the wartime years meant a reliance on home produced ores but im sure I read UK ore is not as good as overseas ores.
Hi interested in the area served by 52D. also researching colliery wagonways from same area.
This is sort of true. The ores from the east midlands were iron rich limestones, but those from west Cumberland were hematite - an iron oxide similar to the Swedish ores.
