Lowmac 217315

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Bryan
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Lowmac 217315

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We are currently rebuilding and repainting one of our fleet of Lowmac wagons.
It is 217315 an EO built by the LNER in 1939 capacity of 21t. (May be more)

Our query is to with livery.
All underframe and below decking is in Black.
Side frame is Freight Brown.
What colour should the top of the frames be? Brown or Black?
In the photo attached the frame top is currently in grey primer / undercoat.
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Bryan
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Nobody knows what colour the frame top should be then?
mick b
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Whats freight brown ? BR ? LNER used Mid Grey for non fitted, Red Oxide for fitted .
Bryan
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Freight Brown is another variation on the same colour.
Red Oxide, Indian Red or Freight Brown are very close together in the spectrum.
The Lowmac is a fitted vehicle.

However our query is, Should the frame top flange be Black or Brown?
mick b
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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" Brown" can't think of any reason why they would have mucked about painting it another colour. Wagons weren't high on the decoration list.
Bill Bedford
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Bryan wrote:However our query is, Should the frame top flange be Black or Brown?
The whole of the top flange was covered by decking, either timber in the centre or steel above the headstocks, so you could paint it any colour you like as it won't be visible.
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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mick b wrote:" Brown" can't think of any reason why they would have mucked about painting it another colour.
Doh........

They didn't. The wagon works used a paint with bauxite as the pigment, which could vary in tone considerably. Modern paint manufacturers put labels on their paint tins which may or may not correspond to what was used by the LNER. The colour in the photo looks far too red to me, but then I haven't seen the wagon in person.
Bryan
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Bill Bedford wrote:
Bryan wrote:However our query is, Should the frame top flange be Black or Brown?
The whole of the top flange was covered by decking, either timber in the centre or steel above the headstocks, so you could paint it any colour you like as it won't be visible.
Not in this case Bill.
The timber decking rests on a framework inside the frames so the top flange is exposed to view.
The attachment Lowmac 217315 a.jpg is no longer available
Lowmac 217315 b.jpg
This photo was taken earlier in the year before work started.
Existing paintwork is well weathered.

I have increased the size a bit but unsure of the pixel limit on this site.
The side flanges are approx 1ft above the decking. Or more easily midway between the two rows of rivets along the side.
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mick b
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Re: Lowmac 217315

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Doh ............................ :D

Shame the picture won't open larger ?
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