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Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:20 pm
by Saint Johnstoun
I seem to have a vague memory of having seen a rake of green Mk1s in Scotland either in Edinburgh Waverley or Glasgow Central sometime in the early 1960s - am I right or could it have been sometime when I was in the Midlands at Birmingham or Stafford?

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:37 pm
by Blink Bonny
Ay up!

Its highly likely. After the electrification of the Southern a lot of Mk1s were displaced northwards.

As for regular services from the Southern, there was certainly a Bournemouth - Newcastle service which had an ER set and an SR one.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:34 pm
by Multiprinter
Vacuum braked,steam heated green Mk1s (and some Bulleids) were sent north in exchange for air braked,electric heated vehicles.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:17 pm
by 52D
I often saw the odd green MK1 in coach rakes crossing the Royal Border Bridge early to mid 1960s.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:04 am
by cambois
My recollection was that the Southern sent stock north to release Mk1s for conversion to the 4REPs & 4TCs required for Bournemouth electrification. I suspect it was rapidly replaced by the new build MkII stock that came out in the late 60s

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:00 am
by Coronach
Quite a regular sight north of the border from 1965. Some appear to have still been about on special work in 1970 but I doubt they survived beyond the year end. I've recently seen on in an EET4-hauled formation at Whitrope in 1968, marshalled with maroon and blue/grey coaches. Quite eye catching!

Dave.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:49 am
by Deepol
Yes indeed. A lot of green Mk1s found themselves on tains in and out of Glasgow Central from the mid 1960s onwards. I've a photo somewhere which I'll look out.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:09 pm
by Coronach
I shall look forward to seeing those! Is the perception that they were widespread? As yet, most images I see of that period haven't really shown that many. It would be interesting to get any information as to numbers, deployment and relevant dates. I understand a number of Bullieds also appeared with some reportedly receiving maroon paint.

Dave.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:20 pm
by Postman Prat
Hi Coronach

Don't ask me where it was, or the variant, because it was a long time ago, and I didn't make any notes but I can confirm having seen a Bulleid coach in lined maroon.

:)

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:19 pm
by Saint Johnstoun
I certainly remember travelling in a maroon Bullied open second sometime in the mid 1960s I think. There were a few around at that time and at least one in the Glasgow-Dundee formations.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:21 pm
by Blink Bonny
Ay up!

I seem to remember one of the Bullied coaches entering preservation in maroon.

Anyone know any details?

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 2:48 pm
by Saint Johnstoun
It was open third 1482 which had become a mess room at Bellahouston Carriage Sheds. It was discovered by the SRPS who arranged a swap with the Caledonian Railway Coach then in the possession of the Bluebell Railway. It ran in maroon until Easter 1973 and then received a heavy overhaul re-entering service in 1976.

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:11 pm
by Saint Johnstoun
I note that Bachmann's Mk1s and Bullied Coaches are finished in two different shades of green in BR livery. Something is suspect here as I thought that the BR green for coaches was always the same colour. Can anybody advise?

Re: Green Mk 1s in Scotland?

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:20 pm
by Blink Bonny
Saint Johnstoun wrote:It was open third 1482 which had become a mess room at Bellahouston Carriage Sheds. It was discovered by the SRPS who arranged a swap with the Caledonian Railway Coach then in the possession of the Bluebell Railway. It ran in maroon until Easter 1973 and then received a heavy overhaul re-entering service in 1976.
Thanks, St J!