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Hi

Went out for Britannia in Murky conditions this morning, then onto Swanwick where the Duchess of Sutherland was on display. Photos can be seen here, http://trev11.zenfolio.com/p441754823

Thanks

Trev

It may be the light, but is that green on the Duchess really the right shade?

It looks rather too pale to me.

The duchess looks like a chunky old three rail hornby duchess with that headboard on

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Perhaps it's a psychological thing ( ) but most locos look best to me in the livery they wore when first built!

Micky wrote:I could never decide whether the B.R. Duchesses looked better in RED or GREEN?.

RED probably has the slight edge?.

They are such impressive engines that I think they look great in either colour, but I thought BR green was a little darker than that.

It is strange because my father said the same thing about Tornado when we saw it close up last summer, and I just wonder if the rumour that Brunswick Green was a name coined by enthusiasts and not used by BR, has resulted in a strange shade being mixed in the 21st century.

But, I may be talking out of my ash pan.

Ay up!

BR Green was slightly darker than GWR green. That's the GWR shade but "greener" - the colour's more saturated to use a digi image term.

It reminds me of D200's repaint into "Mild Fairy Liquid Green" as it was named by enthusiasts.

Sorry, but it does nowt for me. But then I'm not a BR fan.

2002EarlMarischal wrote:Perhaps it's a psychological thing ( ) but most locos look best to me in the livery they wore when first built!

I still can't decide with the A4's, as it's between the original silver, and 60007's (partly ficticious) Br express blue livery

I think the duchess's look best in br green. I wonder what a streamlined duchess would look like in green?

strang steel wrote:...I thought BR green was a little darker than that.

It is strange because my father said the same thing about Tornado when we saw it close up last summer, and I just wonder if the rumour that Brunswick Green was a name coined by enthusiasts and not used by BR, has resulted in a strange shade being mixed in the 21st century.

But, I may be talking out of my ash pan.

Well, there's a short discussion about it here:
http://www.railwaymagazine.co.uk/news/b ... ocomotives
- personally, I'm fairly convinced that Brunswick Green is not the name BR used, and am certain that the colour now sold with that name doesn't match the BR colour. Some of the pictures I've seen of Bittern in green during preservation make it look almost lime green, totally different to Union of South Africa - even when they were photographed together!

2002EarlMarischal wrote:Perhaps it's a psychological thing ( ) but most locos look best to me in the livery they wore when first built!

I'd broadly agree with that I think. I'm too young to remember any steam locos in regular service, so what looks right to me is what I've seen in books - which often seems to have been the original liveries.

blackout60800 wrote:I wonder what a streamlined duchess would look like in green?

Inaccurate! (But since I'd prefer Flying Scotsman stays in LNER livery, I guess that makes me a hypocrite!)

From what I can remember, which is not a lot, the closest green on today's preserved engines (whatever they called it) to the green engines of the fifties, which is when I was trains spotting was the one on Union of South Africa. I do think that Bittern was nowhere near the green back then as is Tornado, Scots Guards, and the Duchess. But as someone as said, when they paint Flying Scotsman in Apple Green and then put German deflectors on, paint 8Fs in Red and so on, we should just think ourselves lucky that there are still steam locomotives around for us to enjoy.

Trev

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I must admit Micky, I would like them to look as they did in the fifties as I remember them, but unfortunately the people that own them have other ideas. But just because I do not agree with some of them, it will not stop me from photographing them.

I think there is nothing better than to see a steam engine really working as it goes by, whatever colour it is. (within reason)

I must say that seeing a newly painted Green 70000 last Saturday, with a full rake of Red and Cream coaches and, doing 60mph as it went by was absolutely marvellous.

But I understand exactly what you say and respect your decision.

Trev

It is a thorny area, and as a result people can have quite entrenched positions.

I grew up with BR green and orange/black/orange lining, so from a nostalgic point of view that is what I prefer to see. Similarly on diesels I prefer green to corporate blue (excepting the class 50s and certain hydraulics that never wore that livery).

So, I get a shock when I see something painted in a livery that doesn't look right, and somehow my brain feels offended. I can't do anything about it really, because it seems to be an inbuilt automatic reaction.

Even something as trivial as the Mayflower nameplate on 61306 rings the "fraudulent" bell in my head.

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Anyone who's a dab hand with Photoshop could have a field day with this subject, but i don't think I'd want to see the results. Anyone who'd paint a 9F red would probably enjoy it, though.